incognito_man Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 27 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Also the Packers beat writers and that one old Chargers doc look like clowns today for calling it a broken ankle immediately. +1 for the medical career of yours truly. Doc Choad 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, incognito_man said: So you actually agree with him, then... In order to go on the IR he has to make the 53. No. If we keep him on the 53 and then IR him then we have the option to recall him if needed. I'm saying we should IR right away but that means he's out for the entire season which i'm fine with as we have plenty of other WR options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted August 23, 2019 Author Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Chili said: No. If we keep him on the 53 and then IR him then we have the option to recall him if needed. I'm saying we should IR right away but that means he's out for the entire season which i'm fine with as we have plenty of other WR options. yah, IR'ing him for the season will go over REALLY well with him and locker-room... that's, by far, the worst option possible 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Chili said: Disagree. There's really no decision to make. He's going on IR. His injury has made the WR decision easy for Gute and LaFleur. IR allows us to avoid cutting him. We got plenty of other receivers to lean on. He's just not that important to us right now to keep on the 53. Don't forget he has never caught a TD pass for the Packers, both in regular season and preseason. Just IR him and let him try again next season. It's important to keep things in perspective. Before he got injured Davis, Kumerow, Lazard, Shepherd were all making catches. He had some targets over the preseason games which he has not caught and he was about to continue that catchless run half way through the 3rd preseason game, he was playing against scrubs and he was doing nothing. I was so happy when he finally caught the ball but it's a shame he got injured on the play. It's clearly obvious though that he has fallen down the depth chart whether people like to admit it or not. It's anything but a guarantee that he's going on IR. If anything, I think it's far more likely that he doesn't get the IR designation. By designating him to return from the IR, he's not eligible to play until Week 9 at the earliest, which would be 10 weeks after the initial sprain. Assuming that 4-6 week timeline is indeed accurate, the Packers would have him on IR for 4 additional weeks. Best case scenario, you're looking at a return Week 3 as his first game back but worst case you're probably looking at Week 5. ESB was never in jeopardy of being released, let's stop pretending like he was. He was probably a healthy scratch on Game Days, especially if they only carry 4 WRs. The snap counts seem to indicate that he's part of the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, incognito_man said: yah, IR'ing him for the season will go over REALLY well with him and locker-room... that's, by far, the worst option possible Meh. he has done nothing in his career so far to require throwing his toys out of his pram. Edited August 23, 2019 by Chili Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, Chili said: Meh. he has done nothing in his career so far to require throwing his toys out of him pram. Chili....whats with the hardon for EQ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, Chili said: No. If we keep him on the 53 and then IR him then we have the option to recall him if needed. I'm saying we should IR right away but that means he's out for the entire season which i'm fine with as we have plenty of other WR options. Makes sense to IR someone for the entire year who is projected to be back somewhere between Week 3 and Week 5. This isn't MLB where you get an extra year of team control by leaving him in the minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 3 minutes ago, Leader said: Chili....whats with the hardon for EQ? umm....shouldn't i have the opposite umm.....reaction....? That kind of reaction is reserved for the very best players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffdaswede Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Leader said: Agree - best news possible regards EQ. No significant structural or ligament issues. Just your basic high ankle sprain. Okay. Can live with that. A bullet dodged. Agree - he's making the roster. If they decide to IR him to make room for somebody else now - not a problem. He'll be back and he'll make his mark. The high hopes continue I mean, high ankle sprains are ligament damage by definition. It’s often said that a broken ankle will heal faster than a high ankle sprain. He may not go on IR but he won’t be playing for us for about two months. In the meantime what happens to his strength and conditioning while he has weight off one leg for three to four weeks? I like EQ and I hope he gets to play for us this year, but the length of time needed for healing, recovery, and attaining football readiness is still in question Edited August 23, 2019 by Uffdaswede 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 He's not one of the very best players. Yet. Everybody knows and has acknowledged that. Why you continually run him down is my question. You seem focuse on this one roster position and out to make a name for yourself with *repeatedly* expressing his shortcomings. We all get it. Got it a week or so ago and far as I can tell you've not moved the info bar since then. Points noted. Acknowledged. Recorded. We got it. Today - in order to express your displeasure in some new and improved manner, you decided to look at the rookie tapes of MVS and EQ. Now, whether you did or not is irrelevant because they're entirely different WRs. They will always be entirely different WRs. Comparing them - well is a waste of time to be honest. My hope is that EQ will be fine and he'll produce for GB. He's got a unique mix of size, speed and smarts that cant be matched by any of our other WRs. I say - lets make use of him and I certainly see no reason to discard him to another team this early in his career. He's going to be a player in this league....for somebody....but like all things, it takes time. I'm willing to give him that time cause I think we'll all benefit from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 4 minutes ago, Uffdaswede said: I mean, high ankle sprains are ligament damage by definition. It’s often said that a broken ankle will heal faster than a high ankle sprain. He may not go on IR but he won’t be playing for us for about two months. I was unclear. I meant ankle ligaments....those around the ankle joint proper. The kind of injury Montgomery had - which was far more debilitating than a high ankle sprain will ever be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffdaswede Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 minutes ago, Leader said: I was unclear. I meant ankle ligaments....those around the ankle joint proper. The kind of injury Montgomery had - which was far more debilitating than a high ankle sprain will ever be. Ty Montgomery had a high ankle sprain. After weeks of trying to get it to heal he had surgery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 Just now, Uffdaswede said: Ty Montgomery had a high ankle sprain. After weeks of trying to get it to heal he had surgery. Yes - to repair cartilage damage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Uffdaswede said: I mean, high ankle sprains are ligament damage by definition. It’s often said that a broken ankle will heal faster than a high ankle sprain. He may not go on IR but he won’t be playing for us for about two months. In the meantime what happens to his strength and conditioning while he has weight off one leg for three to four weeks? I like EQ and I hope he gets to play for us this year, but the length of time needed for healing, recovery, and attaining football readiness is still in question I'm pretty sure Mo Wilkerson proved last year you'd much rather have a high ankle sprain than a fractured ankle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kepler Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: EQ is not the same type of receiver as MVS. That's be like saying, "I compared Z'Darius Smith's highlight tape to Von Millers and there's a noticeable difference so Z must suck." St. Brown is an elite athlete when it comes to his possession receiver skillset. Usually those big body guys are high 4.5s and not fluid. He's not MVS, he's closer to a James Jones who's an inch taller and runs in the 4.4s. That could be am extremely valuable piece to develop. He's not going to explode and glide on air like MVS looks like out there and it's not fair to hold him to that standard. I don't think we've had a receiver in the Rodgers era like MVS. Closest comp I can think of is maybe Javon Walker?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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