Matts4313 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 1 hour ago, TheGame316 said: WIN MORE GAMES CHIEF 6-6 Not really a bad take.... What is it for his career? And what is it with Garrett for his career? What was Romo's in his career? 1 hour ago, TheGame316 said: I'm not going to bother to look it up but the Patriots win % and Brady's stats are pretty much the same vs the AFC East and the Rest of the League If Dak's stats against good teams and good defenses aren't concerning then I can't help you I highly suspect that is false. I remember at one point in Bradys career he had won 90% (?) of his games against the AFC East. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: What is it for his career? And what is it with Garrett for his career? What was Romo's in his career? I highly suspect that is false. I remember at one point in Bradys career he had won 90% (?) of his games against the AFC East. 71-19 against the AFC East (.788) 118-32 against the rest of the league (.786) https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-win-same-rate-vs-rest-nfl-they-do-vs-afc-east 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 5 minutes ago, TheGame316 said: 71-19 against the AFC East (.788) 118-32 against the rest of the league (.786) https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/patriots/patriots-win-same-rate-vs-rest-nfl-they-do-vs-afc-east You are right. For his career he averages a 5-1/yr record against the AFC Least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 so based on the possible/probably projection of the rest of our up but mostly downwards spiraling season. what are we expecting with Dak and his new contract? Will he still net anywhere near 40? Will JJ overreact and try to gain some Cowboy stability by "rewarding" Dak with a top contract in light of having to fire (I hope and pray) JG. Or will the contract be substantially lower due to a new coach coming in etc..?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DaBoys Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) Daks first 3 years were about him playing mediocre/below average/average/above average bus driver style. But we were winning games. In fact our win loss record was Daks best stat, and was argued repeatedly as a reason for his big contract. Now Dak is playing top 5, top 10, above average elite QB style. But we can't beat anybody, and we keep losing. So now all the stats that used to be argued as worthless(yards, passing TDs, big plays etc...) are the only thing he has. Edited December 5, 2019 by DaBoys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, resilient part 2 said: so based on the possible/probably projection of the rest of our up but mostly downwards spiraling season. what are we expecting with Dak and his new contract? Will he still net anywhere near 40? Can someone, for the love of god, please tell me why people are still saying $40m? Dak, his agents and every beat writer in America outside of Jane Slater has refuted that number. WHY IS ANYONE USING THAT NUMBER? Quote Will JJ overreact and try to gain some Cowboy stability by "rewarding" Dak with a top contract in light of having to fire (I hope and pray) JG. Or will the contract be substantially lower due to a new coach coming in etc..?? The contract was always going to be lower than $40m. Thats a made up number said one time by Jane Slater and no one else. Im assuming it will be a 10% bump (cap bump) on the Goff/Wentz deals of $33m/yr (+ incentives). Probably ~$36m Edited December 5, 2019 by Matts4313 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, DaBoys said: So now all the stats that used to be argued as worthless(yards, passing TDs, big plays etc...) are the only thing he has. Not true. The worthwhile stats that made him top 10ish his entire career, continue to make him top 10. The narrative hasnt changed for a bunch of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextyearfordaboyz Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Not true. The worthwhile stats that made him top 10ish his entire career, continue to make him top 10. The narrative hasnt changed for a bunch of us. From 2016-2018, he was #11 in Yards and #13 in Passing Touchdowns, which was pretty amazing considering he came in as a 4th round rookie. It seems Dak developing into a high-level quarterback took lot of people by surprise, but it probably shouldn't have given his trajectory. Additionally, The only QBs with more wins than Dak since he was drafted are Tom Brady and Russell Wilson, even with this 6-6 start to the season. Edited December 5, 2019 by Nextyearfordaboyz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 11th and 13th are pretty good for a 4th rounder...But they aren't good. Dak had a great year for a rookie, but he wasn't great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 2016: 19th in passing yards 2017: 16th in passing yards 2018: 15th in passing yards 2019: 1st in passing yards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Not true. The worthwhile stats that made him top 10ish his entire career, continue to make him top 10. Not true. The only stat that really matters is ANY/A 2016: 3rd 2017: 19th 2018: 19th ^^^ not really top 10 QB play 2019: 6th Edited December 5, 2019 by DaBoys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextyearfordaboyz Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 50 minutes ago, DaBoys said: 11th and 13th are pretty good for a 4th rounder...But they aren't good. Dak had a great year for a rookie, but he wasn't great. Russel Wilson in his first 3 years as starter was 16th and 12th. Brees was 13th and 12th. If you want to talk about A/YA, Tom Brady was was 15th in A/YA in his first 3 years as starter. Most guys, even the greats, don't come out of the gate dominating the league. Dak showed enough from a statistical standpoint and more than enough from a winning standpoint. It was clear that he was someone worth investing in who had a lot of potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Nextyearfordaboyz said: Russel Wilson in his first 3 years as starter was 16th and 12th. Brees was 13th and 12th. If you want to talk about A/YA, Tom Brady was was 15th in A/YA in his first 3 years as starter. Most guys, even the greats, don't come out of the gate dominating the league. Dak showed enough from a statistical standpoint and more than enough from a winning standpoint. It was clear that he was someone worth investing in who had a lot of potential. If you recall, people in San Diego, and the Chargers themselves, wanted Brees gone after Brees’ first two seasons. That’s why they had the #1 overall pick and selected Eli Manning, later to trade him for Philip Rivers. Obviously, this is direct evidence why it’s prudent to wait to get rid of a QB after 3-4 seasons rather than 2. Brees blew up in years 3 and 4 before getting hurt and then leaving in free agency. Edited December 5, 2019 by plan9misfit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextyearfordaboyz Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, plan9misfit said: If you recall, people in San Diego, and the Chargers themselves, wanted Brees gone after Brees’ first two seasons. That’s why they had the #1 overall pick and selected Eli Manning, later to trade him for Philip Rivers. Obviously, this is direct evidence why it’s prudent to wait to get rid of a QB after 3-4 seasons rather than 2. Brees blew up in years 3 and 4 before getting hurt and then leaving in free agency. Right. Being an NFL quarterback is basically one of the hardest jobs in the world. There are like 10-15 people in the world who, at any given moment, have legitimate job security with it. And these players come in having never even done it as a full-time job. The lack of patience with Dak Prescott, given all the greatness he has shown, is pretty amazing to me. There is still at least 1 person on this forum who think his performance has been insufficient for a contract extension. It's wild to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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