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3 hours ago, candyman93 said:

I don’t want to make assumptions about an athlete, but Joe Burrows situation is weird.

 

I really hope he doesn’t pull an Eli. That’s going to send red flags to me that he feels he’s already “made it” already. I’d want that kid who worked his *** off in the off-season.

Honestly the Bengals best scenario would be to take Young this year, tank again and go after real qbs next year. Or trade out of the pick, get nice draft capital, play hard and have the capital to trade up for somebody next year. 
 

If burrows doesn’t want to go there, good go be an average starting qb elsewhere. Meanwhile Young’ll be racking up them sack numbers and the Dalton equilibrium doppelgänger will ride his team to just acceptable mediocrity. 

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6 hours ago, buno67 said:

Yeah they looked good for their new teams but just because they performed well for their new teams doesn’t mean they would have automatically performed well with the browns. Ogbah looked solid with KC but looked below avg for the browns. Same with Nassib. Those dudes never performed like they had to be on the roster. 

ogbah prolly looked better being on a defense that is playing with leads a majority of the time. 
 

those dudes were On the paths to being JAGs here in Cleveland 

The "path" as you suggest of a young player is anything but certain, especially for 2nd to 3rd round draft picks who were taken in those rounds because of some clear deficiency or rawness in their games.  That's especially true for completely raw athletes like Ogbah and David Njoku.

A core component of what I think you're missing though is that we're talking about young players for which an extra off-season and extra year of development can make a substantial difference in their improvement.

And we gave them away for nothing.

And we had already paid out the majority of their guaranteed money commitments their first 2-3 years so it easily made sense to see if they hit or became something more in a final year before deciding to move on from them.

Carl Nassib was cut in his 2nd year.

Emmanuel Ogbah traded his 3rd year.

When you have cost certainty on young pass rushing talents on low contract numbers you keep them around and let their rookie contracts run out and don't move on until you have to. Even if they aren't stars we've seen how quickly injuries create a situation where street free agents like Porter Gustin or Bryan Cox Jr. become starters. We would not have been worse off had we had Ogbah or Nassib to fill instead although we all know they aren't world beaters.

 

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From TheeRealDeal/Kam for your enjoyment/consumption/praise/ridicule.....

I'm done watching film for the year. I believe there are 10 Top 40 talents at OT this year which is amazing considering how deficient the OT classes have been the last decade. 
 
Josh Jones showed out at the Senior Bowl. Obvious Top 40 talent but he scares me because the effort he showed at the Senior Bowl was non existent in film. The talent was on film but he was very lazy and often stopped in the middle of plays. You can do that in college because the play is typically by you early but in the NFL it is a dog fight from whistle to whistle. Does he have the mentality to do that every play? 
 
Ben Bartch was dynamite at the Senior Bowl. There is very little film on him. I have 1 game and the Senior Bowl so I am purely going off of Senior Bowl but the kid has elite feet for a LT. He moves well laterally as well which is perfect for our new scheme. He needs to add some bulk to his lower body and to get stronger, but what D3 kid doesn't? Look at the big jumps Ali Marpet and no Alex Cappa made in their respective year 2 from small school to NFL. Bartch has better tools than both.
 
Saahdiq Charles also declared since I emailed you about how great the OT class was. He is another Top 40 talent. Powerful anchor. Powerful punch and hands. Smooth feet. They are not elite quick but they are very smooth. He could easily fall into the 3rd round due to some off the field concerns but they are not major concerns(no violent crimes, no domestic abuse, no Gordon/Calloway habitual offending issues).
 
1. Jedrick Wills
2. Tristin Wirfs - Don't understand mind's hate for him as an OT. He has the athletic tools and the mean streak to play anywhere. Development is on coaching if he fails to succeed at OT.
3. Mekhi Becton - Absolute monster and rare peace of clay. Has serious technique deficiencies that could lead to him ultimately failing, but the tools and ability are elite. If he is half coachable he will succeed. He is a boom/bust prospect for sure, but his boom could easily be Jonathan Odgen/Walter Jones type of a boom.
4. Andrew Thomas - Doesn't exactly fit what our new scheme is going to be but he is still an elite level OT. Again don't understand why mind has such a deep hatred for this guy.
5. Robert Hunt - He is a mini Becton with a far more refined technique. He has the same power and aggressiveness as well as being a very large man as Becton but his hand placement, upper body control and footwork are far superior. I wouldn't say he is a safe prospect but in comparison to Becton his floor is much higher while his ceiling is lower. Same type of end product with Becton's potential being higher but Hunt's potential of hitting his potential higher.
6a. Ben Bartch - give the nod to him over Josh Jones do to more consistent fight and effort
6b. Josh Jones - Athletic with elite pass pro potential but has very little desire to move people in the run game. Would rather shield.
8. Isaiah Wilson - Another mountainous man who moves very well. Needs to play with better knee bend and less waist. Is still a force in run game. Might struggle with getting the edge in wide zone though.
9. Saahdiq Charles - above
10. Austin Jackson - elite athletically but too often too soft. Hand placement and punch timing is a mess. Effort is sometimes questionable. Lesser version of Josh Jones.
 
Those 10 guys are Top 40 talents IMO and I never even had time to watch deep into guys like Niang, Driscoll, Peart and Wanogho who all have some big fans in the scouting community from guys who know way better than I do. I also really liked what little I saw of Hakeem Adeniji but I think he moves inside.
 
No time to watch guards this year. Damien Lewis, Jonah Jackson, Netane Muti are all 3 stud that I was able to watch. Don't know how they compare to the field but I would call them all 3 Top 75 talents. Kevin Dotson was also a beast when watching Robert Hunt. His combine snub was the worst I've ever seen. He is a 5th rounder at worst. Cusheberry also had many beast moments when watching Charles and Lewis.
 
TE class is incredible weak at the top IMO. I love TEs. I think I mocked 2 to us in every mock I made for the last 2 offseason but you simply cannot force what is not there. Adam Trautman is the only Top 60 talent in the class IMO and if we cannot get him at pick 41 then we need to stay away from the position until the Seattle 3rd rounder at the earliest.
 
Adam Trautman 2nd - Elite outside zone blocker so his value may even be higher to Browns than some other clubs.
Brycen Hopkins 2nd/3rd
Josiah Deguara 3rd - Love him as a move piece. Very good blocker. High effort guy. Poor mans Kyle Juszczyk as a FB/Blocker but a better Receiving TE.
Cole Kmet 3rd - Overrated blocker. Actually not very good. Being white must has got him that stereotype because I was far from impressed.
Colby Parkinson 3rd/4th
Hunter Byrant 3rd/4th - Terrible blocker. Zero desire to even try. His talents and abilities would basically replace Kareem Hunt. 
Stephen Sullivan 3rd/4th - Absolutely love this guy as a diamond in the rough. Former WR but blocks like he had a HS oline background.
Jacob Breeland 3rd/4th
Devin Asiasi 4th Round
Albert Okwuegbunam 4th Round
Jared Pinkney 5th Round
Thaddeus Moss 5th Round - Incredibly overrated. At least he was in the weeks after the natty. Seeing 2nd and 3rd??? Athletically deficient.
Harrison Bryant 5th Round - Absolute abomination as a blocker.
Charlie Taumoepeau 6th Round
Mitchell Wilcox 6th Round
Dalton Keene 6th/7th
 
Haven't even had time to look at other positions this year. So I don't think I could even do a mock draft. 3 guy who did catch my eye were Jacob Eason. No idea why but every time I see him I think he's going to make a very good QB. Again can't explain it just what I see. Trevis Gipson popped when watching OL against him. Don't know much but he stood out. Cole McDonald I wouldn't mind the Browns drafting at all. Has issues but his arm talent and athletic ability are the things you gamble on especially at QB when you have no need to force the kid into action. 

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15 hours ago, Kiwibrown said:

Free G-Race/Shake N Bake/KamTrus/TheeRealDeal/That fake ghost account that he made to argue with himself

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16 hours ago, Kiwibrown said:

Free G-Race/Shake N Bake/KamTrus/TheeRealDeal/Tomahawk/That fake ghost account that he made to argue with himself

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Edited by NudeTayne
Added Tomahawk. Is this the entire list?

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On 2/18/2020 at 11:10 PM, Bonanza23 said:

Honestly the Bengals best scenario would be to take Young this year, tank again and go after real qbs next year.

I agree they should take Chase Young, but how is Burrow not a real QB? He's a very legit #1 overall QB selection.

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On 2/18/2020 at 8:10 PM, Bonanza23 said:

Honestly the Bengals best scenario would be to take Young this year, tank again and go after real qbs next year. Or trade out of the pick, get nice draft capital, play hard and have the capital to trade up for somebody next year. 
 

If burrows doesn’t want to go there, good go be an average starting qb elsewhere. Meanwhile Young’ll be racking up them sack numbers and the Dalton equilibrium doppelgänger will ride his team to just acceptable mediocrity. 

You really don't think Burrow is a great prospect? He looks pretty legit to me. But I also think Dalton is still pretty good. What about Tua? Before he got injured, many saw him as being very with the #1 pick. And if his health checks out, why not take him if one isn't as into Burrow? And also, who not do a swap down to two or three and get a mega haul? It seems like there are three top spots and everyone else.

12 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said:

I agree they should take Chase Young, but how is Burrow not a real QB? He's a very legit #1 overall QB selection.

Yup. He has produced all year, big stage and little stage in the SEC. He made it look easy in the title game too.

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1 hour ago, BleedTheClock said:

I agree they should take Chase Young, but how is Burrow not a real QB? He's a very legit #1 overall QB selection.

I worded that poorly. I like him as a prospect, don’t love him. I think he’s mostly a product of their system and stud wrs. I’ve seen a ton of yac out of them. I do think he can start in this league with a good set up. 

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55 minutes ago, NudeTayne said:

You really don't think Burrow is a great prospect? He looks pretty legit to me. But I also think Dalton is still pretty good. What about Tua? Before he got injured, many saw him as being very with the #1 pick. And if his health checks out, why not take him if one isn't as into Burrow? And also, who not do a swap down to two or three and get a mega haul? It seems like there are three top spots and everyone else.

Yup. He has produced all year, big stage and little stage in the SEC. He made it look easy in the title game too.

See above ^

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14 minutes ago, Bonanza23 said:

See above ^

60 TD to 6 picks in the SEC can't be all YAC, though, can it? And I do believe people are sleeping on Jefferson as a legit first round WR, so there is that.

What do you think about Tua, assuming he's healthy?

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1 hour ago, NudeTayne said:

And I do believe people are sleeping on Jefferson as a legit first round WR, so there is that.

Jefferson is good at what he does. He's a linear route runner that doesn't set anything up. I fear people are going to sit on his routes and lock him down. He needs to diversify his route tree in order to ever really be a #1 or #2.

 

Ja'Marr Chase is a superstar in the making. He's going to be a good one.

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1 hour ago, NudeTayne said:

60 TD to 6 picks in the SEC can't be all YAC, though, can it? And I do believe people are sleeping on Jefferson as a legit first round WR, so there is that.

What do you think about Tua, assuming he's healthy?

I’m not a stat guy, I try to look beyond stats. 
 

Tua is ok. Not my favorite. Unfortunately he’s from a foreign country named Fragile. 
 

Before you ask, I can’t stand Herbert. 

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6 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said:

Jefferson is good at what he does. He's a linear route runner that doesn't set anything up. I fear people are going to sit on his routes and lock him down. He needs to diversify his route tree in order to ever really be a #1 or #2.

 

Ja'Marr Chase is a superstar in the making. He's going to be a good one.

I believe he will keep improving, and there are five or so receivers I would take over Jefferson. The talent at WR this year is just sexy.

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