NateDawg Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 With that said, I do think we are in a pretty good spot and don’t need to trade up assets like that unless it’s minimal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, NateDawg said: With that said, I do think we are in a pretty good spot and don’t need to trade up assets like that unless it’s minimal. I doubt we trade assets for anyone. We are in a good spot sitting at pick #10. I'm sure we at least like 2 of the OT's enough to take at #10. At least 1 will be there. And if not, it means Derrick Brown or some other star fell to us. I'd rather trade down than trade up. But I doubt we do either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 If we get any player that's not an OT at #10, that player had better be named "Isaiah Simmons", and even then I'll be irritated at our OL situation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, MWil23 said: If we get any player that's not an OT at #10, that player had better be named "Isaiah Simmons", and even then I'll be irritated at our OL situation. Man I was thinking about it last night I’d trade the 3rd from the Duke trade to jump to 8 to secure Simmons I know we need Oline but if Simmons is the potential HOF weapon on defense scouts think he is I’d do it. we can find Oline in the 2nd and 3rd still and you can fill ever spots with FA and trades your not going to find a playmaker like Simmons outside the draft. So to me you go get him if it doesn’t cost too much. I don’t think it’d cost more than the third from Duke to go from 10 to 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, brownie man said: Man I was thinking about it last night I’d trade the 3rd from the Duke trade to jump to 8 to secure Simmons I know we need Oline but if Simmons is the potential HOF weapon on defense scouts think he is I’d do it. we can find Oline in the 2nd and 3rd still and you can fill ever spots with FA and trades your not going to find a playmaker like Simmons outside the draft. So to me you go get him if it doesn’t cost too much. I don’t think it’d cost more than the third from Duke to go from 10 to 8 https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Pick 8 is worth 1400 Pick 10 is worth 1300 If you only go by the chart, we could trade our 4th this year (70 points) and next year's 4th to move up 2 spots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, MWil23 said: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Pick 8 is worth 1400 Pick 10 is worth 1300 If you only go by the chart, we could trade our 4th this year (70 points) and next year's 4th to move up 2 spots. It also works out to trade our Duke pick and get back their early 5th this year, if we don't want to lose out on pick quantity. Edit: Never mind. They don't have a 5th. Maybe they'd take our fourth and a fifth next year--lines up about right. Edited February 21, 2020 by NudeTayne 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: It also works out to trade our Duke pick and get back their early 5th this year, if we don't want to lose out on pick quantity. Edit: Never mind. They don't have a 5th. Maybe they'd take our fourth and a fifth next year--lines up about right. Yeah, I looked to see if we could do some type of swap, but that didn't fit for that reason. Neither of us has a 5th, so it would have to include a player or a future pick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 43 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: It also works out to trade our Duke pick and get back their early 5th this year, if we don't want to lose out on pick quantity. Edit: Never mind. They don't have a 5th. Maybe they'd take our fourth and a fifth next year--lines up about right. 1 hour ago, MWil23 said: https://www.drafttek.com/NFL-Trade-Value-Chart.asp Pick 8 is worth 1400 Pick 10 is worth 1300 If you only go by the chart, we could trade our 4th this year (70 points) and next year's 4th to move up 2 spots. Yeah all the above is good with me but I think I’m on the Simmons bandwagon. one of the big questions with that though is could Mack Wilson play mike full time? because if we let Joe walk that’s most likely going to be a third round comp pick in 2021. I think in the analytics mindset that could play a big factor. You make out on your ROI from a 4th rounder to a third. And then if you have to trade a pick you know you get one back in 2021 unless we sign a major FA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, brownie man said: Yeah all the above is good with me but I think I’m on the Simmons bandwagon. Simmons is one of my 4-5 best players in the draft (Non QB) with Young, Okudah, Brown, and Jeudy. That said, with our glaring holes at OT, if we trade up for him, I'd be disappointed. If he falls to us and we draft him, then so be it, but I think he's taken in the Top 5-7 picks personally. Just now, brownie man said: one of the big questions with that though is could Mack Wilson play mike full time? I think that Wilson is a full time WLB. He's a great sideline to sideline guy and excels in pass coverage, but gets thumped at the point of attack and struggles to take on blockers. He MAY develop into one eventually, but right now, he's not close IMO. Just now, brownie man said: because if we let Joe walk that’s most likely going to be a third round comp pick in 2021. I think in the analytics mindset that could play a big factor. You make out on your ROI from a 4th rounder to a third. And then if you have to trade a pick you know you get one back in 2021 unless we sign a major FA If we let Schobert walk I may explode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 10 hours ago, MWil23 said: 3rd: Winfield, S, Minnesota Probably taken before that, imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mind Character Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 (edited) Pre-Combine Mock Off-Season Principal Free Agent Signings: 1.) Anthony Harris, FS/SS 2.) Case Keenum, QB 3.) Halapoulivaati Vaitai, RT 4.) Graham Glasgow, OG 5.) Clayton Geathers, SS/NS 6.) Demarcus Robinson, WR 7.) Bradley Roby, NCB/CB/FS 8.) PJ Walker, QB 9.) A'Shawn Robinson, NT/DT 10.) Richard Rodgers, TE Restructure/Re-sign/Retain 1.) Olivier Vernon, DE from 15mil to 10mil 2.) Joe Schobert, LB 3.) Ricky Seals Jones, TE 4.) KhaDarel Hodge, WR 5.) Juston Burris, SS Principal Cuts/Let Walks 1.) Christian Kirksey, LB 2.) Damarious Randall, FS 3.) Rashard Higgins, WR 4.) Chris Hubbard, RT 5.) Eric Murray, NS/SS 6.) Dontrell Hilliard, RB 7.) Stephen Carlson, TE 8.) Morgan Burnett, SS 9.) Justin McCary, RG Berry Loves Derrick Brown and DLineman Mock Draft: 1.) Derrick Brown, NT Auburn 2.) Julian Okwara, DE Notre Dame 3.) Robert Hunt, OT/OG Louisiana-Lafayette 3.) Troy Dye, LB Oregon 4.) Jack Driscoll, RT Auburn 6.) Joe Reed, WR/KR/PR Virginia 7.) Lynn Bowden Jr., WR/KR/PR 7.) Daishawn Dixon, OG San Diego State --------- Prospective 53-60 Roster: Offense (25): Quarterbacks (3): QB: Baker Mayfield // Case Keenum // PJ Walker Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Running Backs (3): RB: Nick Chubb // Kareem Hunt // D'Ernest Johnson // UDFA Rookie Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Fullback (1): FB: Johnny Stanton Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Wide Receivers (6): WR1: Odell Beckham Jr. // Taywon Taylor // KhaDarel Hodge WR2: Demarcus Robinson // / Joe Reed // UDFA Rookie Slot-WR: Jarvis Landry // Lynn Bowden Jr. Practice Squad: N/A ----------- Tight Ends (4): TE: David Njoku // Richard Rodgers // Ricky Seals-Jones Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Offensive Linemen (9): LT: Halapoulivaati Vaitai // Kendall Lamm LG: Joel Bitonio // Drew Forbes // Malcolm Pridgeon C: JC Tretter // Willie Wright RG: Graham Glasgow // Wyatt Taylor // Daishawn Dixon RT: Robert Hunt // Jack Driscoll Practice Squad: N/A ------------------------- Defense (25): Defensive linemen (9): DE: Myles Garrett // Chad Thomas NT: Derrick Brown // A'Shawn Robinson DT: Larry Ogunjobi // Sheldon Richardson // Daniel Ekuale DE: Julian Okwara // Olivier Vernon Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Linebackers (6): SLB: Sione Takitaki // Tae Davis MLB: Joe Schobert // Jermaine Grace WLB: Troy Dye // Mack Wilson // Willie Harvey Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Corner Backs (5): CB: Denzel Ward // Terrance Mitchell // Donnie Lewis Jr. CB: Greedy Wiilliams // Tavierre Thomas NCB: Bradley Roby Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Safeties (5): FS: Anthony Harris // Sheldrick Redwine SS: Clayton Geathers // Juston Burris // UDFA Rookie Practice Squad: N/A ------------ Specialists (3): Kicker (1): Austin Seibert Punter (1): Jamie Gillan Long snapper (1): Charley Hughlett -------------------------------------------------------------- Edited February 24, 2020 by Mind Character 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted February 22, 2020 Author Share Posted February 22, 2020 If we trade for Trent Williams, I’d consider Kinlaw at 10. He’s a future beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 15 hours ago, bruceb said: Probably taken before that, imo. I doubt it. He's going to test poorly and is small. I think he's great, but his combine numbers, by all accounts, are going to be the suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 8 hours ago, Mind Character said: 1.) Derrick Brown, NT Auburn 2.) Julian Okwara, DE Notre Dame 3.) Robert Hunt, OT/OG Louisiana-Lafayette 3.) Troy Dye, LB Oregon 4.) Jack Driscoll, RT Auburn 6.) Joe Reed, WR/KR/PR Virginia 7.) Lynn Bowden Jr., WR/KR/PR 7.) Daishawn Dixon, OG San Diego State That would be glorious. Except I don't see a chance in hell that Derrick Brown falls to #10. Hell, I think Detroit takes him at #3 if they're smart. You cannot run inside on a Derrick Brown-led defense. And the dude has pass rush ability...he's not just a run stuffer. I was a big Ed Oliver guy last year until I watched more Derrick Brown. He became my top DT in what was a loaded class. And then this season happened and he was even better. Derrick Brown is a game wrecker and would single-handedly shut down power run schemes. He's that kind of beast in my opinion. @candyman Kinlaw reminds me of Chris Jones. He's lackadaisical too often, but the raw talent is eye-opening. He's also trending upwards in terms of literally every trait. He continues to get better and has the length, size, and explosion necessary to be the next great pass rushing DT. But I would not take him over any 4 of the OT's. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 On 2/20/2020 at 2:29 PM, BleedTheClock said: I agree. We need a slot WR or a #2 to push Landry to the slot. The 2nd round looks pretty bleh to me anyways. I want Tyler Biadasz to be our RG. If he's not there or deemed not a fit for our ZBS, then we should look to add a pass rusher or a WR. I'd love him in round two, but I kind of doubt he'll be available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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