LoganF89 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, MikeT14 said: I think the overall consensus is that the DE/premiere pass rusher in today's NFL is the 2nd most important position on the field, whereas, in your example, a RB seems to be a dime a dozen and easily replaceable. So maybe you do want a Porsche there at DE? I would say QB, LT, Edge in that order 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 10 minutes ago, LoganF89 said: I would say QB, LT, Edge in that order I used to. The game has changed me over the past two years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, MikeT14 said: I used to. The game has changed me over the past two years. I think having a good OL unit overall is probably the 2nd most important aspect of a team. But one guy (even an LT) can’t make your OL dominant if the other 4 are mediocre. One pass-rusher, however, can change everything. See, e.g., Khalil Mack to Bears. Even if you kept him in one spot on every down, he can force the offense to adjust to ensure that he’s controlled. But beyond that, you can move him. You can shift him to the defensive left side and let him work on an RT, or even kick him inside and let him work against interior OL (as Minnesota did in the playoffs). Even a team with an elite LT can’t necessarily harness your stud pass-rusher, especially if you scheme him well, and that’s why I think that makes him the second most important individual player you can have. A great OL unit might trump one great pass-rusher, but not just one member of an OL unit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaiphoon Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, e16bball said: I think having a good OL unit overall is probably the 2nd most important aspect of a team. But one guy (even an LT) can’t make your OL dominant if the other 4 are mediocre. One pass-rusher, however, can change everything. See, e.g., Khalil Mack to Bears. Even if you kept him in one spot on every down, he can force the offense to adjust to ensure that he’s controlled. But beyond that, you can move him. You can shift him to the defensive left side and let him work on an RT, or even kick him inside and let him work against interior OL (as Minnesota did in the playoffs). Even a team with an elite LT can’t necessarily harness your stud pass-rusher, especially if you scheme him well, and that’s why I think that makes him the second most important individual player you can have. A great OL unit might trump one great pass-rusher, but not just one member of an OL unit. Correct. For me? It goes (in order)... QB Guy that kills the QB Guy that keeps the QB from getting killed 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTTRDynasty Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Not sure where else to put this, but interesting back and forth here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdog44 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 4 hours ago, e16bball said: I think having a good OL unit overall is probably the 2nd most important aspect of a team. But one guy (even an LT) can’t make your OL dominant if the other 4 are mediocre. One pass-rusher, however, can change everything. See, e.g., Khalil Mack to Bears. Even if you kept him in one spot on every down, he can force the offense to adjust to ensure that he’s controlled. But beyond that, you can move him. You can shift him to the defensive left side and let him work on an RT, or even kick him inside and let him work against interior OL (as Minnesota did in the playoffs). Even a team with an elite LT can’t necessarily harness your stud pass-rusher, especially if you scheme him well, and that’s why I think that makes him the second most important individual player you can have. A great OL unit might trump one great pass-rusher, but not just one member of an OL unit. I get that, but you could also say my star LT allows me to double your star pass rusher when he lines up over anyone other than the LT, allowing my OL unit to contain the DL. It goes back and forth. I’d take the star LT anyday over an edge. You can scheme pressure. Not having a left tackle usually leaves an offense looking clueless 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins212689 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, bigdog44 said: I get that, but you could also say my star LT allows me to double your star pass rusher when he lines up over anyone other than the LT, allowing my OL unit to contain the DL. It goes back and forth. I’d take the star LT anyday over an edge. You can scheme pressure. Not having a left tackle usually leaves an offense looking clueless Chiefs without a Elite OLine beat the Elite DLine of the 49er's. What more proof do people need? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
e16bball Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, Skins212689 said: Chiefs without a Elite OLine beat the Elite DLine of the 49er's. What more proof do people need? Probably more than one single game 🤷🏻♂️ The Titans, with a scrap heap QB, beat the MVP QB of the Ravens. Should we throw away everything else we know about QBs simply because Ryan Tannehill beat Lamar Jackson in one playoff game? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins212689 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, e16bball said: Probably more than one single game 🤷🏻♂️ The Titans, with a scrap heap QB, beat the MVP QB of the Ravens. Should we throw away everything else we know about QBs simply because Ryan Tannehill beat Lamar Jackson in one playoff game? No it should show the Ravens they need to get Lamar some more weapons. Edited February 27, 2020 by Skins212689 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdog44 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 53 minutes ago, Skins212689 said: Chiefs without a Elite OLine beat the Elite DLine of the 49er's. What more proof do people need? San Frans D line was excellent in that game. Shanahan and Garoppolo hung them out to dry. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tredaddy Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 19 hours ago, MikeT14 said: I used to. The game has changed me over the past two years. Same thing happened to me once I saw Watt moving around the line at will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tredaddy Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, HTTRDynasty said: I remember back when the fanbase went nuts drafting Scherff over Leonard Williams -- McCloughan voiced it was important to draft franchise guys who want to be leaders and stick with your team for the long haul. Kinda cool looking back and seeing Leonard no longer in NYJ -- guess we'll see what Scherff plans to do. Edited February 27, 2020 by tredaddy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 On 2/24/2020 at 1:18 PM, naptownskinsfan said: Hooper concerns me. It's one thing for him to be the fourth option behind Julio Jones, Calvin Ridley and D'Vonta Freeman with Matt Ryan throwing him the football. It's going to be another to be #2 behind Terry McLaurin with a second-year Dwayne Haskins throwing him the football. Hooper is going to get top 5 money for the position, if not become the highest paid TE, and to me, he hasn't proven to be worth that. Though I will say, if we overspend on anyone, I'd rather it be Hooper. It is rare for someone his age and skillset to hit free agency. It's just going to be a risky signing. Every free agency signing is a risk, just as every draft selection is a risk. I agree with your last paragraph. He’s young and has the skill set to be successful. I’m not overly concerned though, if he can catch a pass, he can catch a pass. I don’t think he’ll be seeing much more coverage then he did in Atlanta. Teams rarely double team TEs. Terry will be getting most of the attention, and if Steve Sims continues to ascend in the slot, he may start to draw a lot of attention the way that Crowder used to. If that happens - and I predict it will - that should open up room for Hooper as he goes 1 on 1 vs linebackers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 18 hours ago, Skins212689 said: No it should show the Ravens they need to get Lamar some more weapons. They have tons of weapons. They have one of the NFL’s best running backs - their running game fell apart when Mark Ingram got injured, no surprise there. They have Marquise “Hollywood” Brown who they took in the first round last year - AB’s cousin from Oklahoma. He was awesome as a rookie WR (7 TDs in 14 starts) and Mark Andrews (64 recs, 852 yds, 10 TDs) who was one of the NFL’s best tight ends and was constantly open in the middle of the field bc when Lamar play faked, it sucked the linebackers up to stop the run. Also, they have Hayden Hurst who was a 1st round TE they took the same year as Andrews. I guess they could use an upgrade at #2 WR but their offense runs the ball so much and throws to the TEs, it might be a waste of an investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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