NYRaider Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 58 minutes ago, jpaulthe1st said: Jaylon Johnson was the best rookie corner last year, a great scheme fit (for PG), and he was available at 19. In 5 years he will be the best corner from the 2020 draft class. https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-rookie-power-rankings-ceedee-lamb-rejoins-list-jonathan-taylor-rises-as-regular-season-ends/ CBS had Terrell as the best rookie CB in their power rankings and Terrell had a 60.8 grade from PFF while Johnson had a 54.9 grade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 34 minutes ago, big_palooka said: I think Barmore has upside to be a great player. But he's not a frp in my eyes and taking him 17 to shelf him a year or 2 would not be a good use of the pick. That's true and to be honest it's hard to see Mayock take Barmore #17 when his job is likely dependent on if we make the playoffs or not next season. I want a defensive lineman in the 1st but I won't be surprised if we use the pick on an OT like Teven Jenkins or Jalen Mayfield or reach on a safety like Trevon Moehrig or Richie Grant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said: My thing with Barmore is I can’t see why people think he’s a reach but somehow Paye is not. Paye was a multi year starter at Michigan and is #19 on Daniel Jeremiah's board and #11 on the Draft Network's board. Barmore was a 1 year starter and is #41 on DJ's board and #49 on TDN's board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 Weird position for us to be in at 17 in this draft with how the roster is. I think all the players that are likely or have a chance to be there at our most pressing needs have question marks. All the pass rushers - Rousseau (is he raw, stiff?), Phillips (injuries), Ojalari (size), Paye (more of a base end?) - then Barmore (inconsistent, immature?), Moehrig (solid - but is 17 too rich?). I can understand why some posters are suggesting an olineman. Not least as it is a need as things stand and it looks like there are a number of players without the above lists question marks. But I would hate to not spend it on at least trying to get a difference maker on defense. I would be worried if it was any of the aforementioned defenders - but excited too as - one of them could be that difference maker. The players that really excite me are the LBs. JOK is top of my big board. Personally, I feel he could play alongside Kwit and Littleton and stay on the field and play nickel. He just looks that fast and good in coverage. I just can’t see the FO picking him - or any of the LBs for that matter with Kwit and Littleton entrenched as starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, reddevil said: Weird position for us to be in at 17 in this draft with how the roster is. I think all the players that are likely or have a chance to be there at our most pressing needs have question marks. All the pass rushers - Rousseau (is he raw, stiff?), Phillips (injuries), Ojalari (size), Paye (more of a base end?) - then Barmore (inconsistent, immature?), Moehrig (solid - but is 17 too rich?). I can understand why some posters are suggesting an olineman. Not least as it is a need as things stand and it looks like there are a number of players without the above lists question marks. But I would hate to not spend it on at least trying to get a difference maker on defense. I would be worried if it was any of the aforementioned defenders - but excited too as - one of them could be that difference maker. The players that really excite me are the LBs. JOK is top of my big board. Personally, I feel he could play alongside Kwit and Littleton and stay on the field and play nickel. He just looks that fast and good in coverage. I just can’t see the FO picking him - or any of the LBs for that matter with Kwit and Littleton entrenched as starters. RT would be pretty bad value at #17, imo. I could see us targeting someone like Jackson Carman at #80 if he's on the board. The LB class this year is really good, a lot of 3 down LB's in this years class. Micah Parsons, JOK, Zaven Collins, Jabril Cox, Dylan Moses, and Jamin Davis are all intriguing prospects. I wouldn't mind Parsons, JOK, or Collins at #17. But would definitely prefer we take a swing on a pass rusher. I'd be happy with Paye, Philips, or Ojulari. Edited March 14, 2021 by NYRaider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 15 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: First off projections don’t matter once somebody gets drafted so saying someone’s projected to go here or there is all just hypotheticals It matters because of the question you asked of why one is considered a reach and the other isn't. I'm not worried about Paye as a pass rusher. Paye's role at Michigan wasn't to get after the passer. They used him all over the line, often at 0tech to play the run. If you know anything about Michigan football, you know how they use these type players. NFL, he will play edge, get space where he will be able to excel. He has the similar speed to power potential a guy like Mack had coming out. And I'm not sure where you get he doesn't have any pass rush moves. He's got great hands and technique in stacking and shedding blocks. I think you're trying to view him as a pass rusher and that wasn't his role at Michigan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 14, 2021 Share Posted March 14, 2021 At this point I'd honestly prefer Jaelan Phillips at #17. It's risky but if it works out he can be the best defensive lineman we've had since Mack left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 I think it's a good bet we can land a good edge rusher at 17 and a potentially good DT/safety at 48. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 this guy has starter potential and could be there in the 4th. this is actually a really good LB class. we need to an infusion of talent in all levels of defense. our lb core has sucked for so Long too https://www.profootballnetwork.com/garret-wallow-nfl-draft-player-profile-tcu-linebacker/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: I think it's a good bet we can land a good edge rusher at 17 and a potentially good DT/safety at 48. Undoubtedly. Edge Rusher DT FS OT That first 4 rounds should be able to net a quality player at each position. Now, if we could just trade for another day 2 pick...we could potentially walk away from the draft with 5 day 1 starters easy. We shall see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 also not sure why Caden Stearns is going under the radar. he is projected mid rounder which doesn't add up https://www.profootballnetwork.com/caden-sterns-nfl-draft-player-profile-texas-safety/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Undoubtedly. Edge Rusher DT FS OT That first 4 rounds should be able to net a quality player at each position. Now, if we could just trade for another day 2 pick...we could potentially walk away from the draft with 5 day 1 starters easy. We shall see. If we can't sign a quality RT and there is a monster sitting there at 17, I'm fine taking OL as long as we've addressed DL/Safety/CB. We can always get more value on defense on day 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humble_Beast Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 this another guy I been looking at, and might be there in the 3rd just due to his height. but the man has great range, can tackle, angles, instincts, explosive, good player. I like him similar to Grant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Humble_Beast said: this another guy I been looking at, and might be there in the 3rd just due to his height. but the man has great range, can tackle, angles, instincts, explosive, good player. I like him similar to Grant Only if Bradley knows how to not put him in a position to guard 6'6" TEs. Even smaller than Karl Joseph. Just watched the video and what was I suppose to like about it. He looked bad in coverage and bad against the run. He did give Hurts and the OG some highlight plays. Edited March 15, 2021 by drfrey13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: Only if Bradley knows how to not put him in a position to guard 6'6" TEs. Even smaller than Karl Joseph. Bradley did pretty well with 5'10" Earl Thomas playing in single high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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