Goldfish's Way Too Early Draft Rankings 2020 (All up)

[onejayhawk]

18 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

I liked the value of Dallas' draft class, but was not a big fan of Diggs and Robinson coming out at all. Neither are ready to play any meaningful snaps IMO.

That's why they were available where they were picked. If they were ready to step in and play, they go much higher. Drafts are mostly about the second season, not the first. Even high first round picks are expected to develop significantly. 

Don't go to sleep on Robinson. That was a really nice pick.

J

[BroncoBruin]

25 minutes ago, Calvert28 said:

Exactly, I don't agree they being 3rd on this list. Most of the picks the Bronco's and Ravens made when into the round most thought they would go, I would even say some of them were reaches like Albert O in semi early 4th as well as Hamler which was a surprise pick considering they still needed help on the OLine and in the secondary. I would have definitely ranked the Bronco's much lower closer to 10 then Top 3. 

Ravens much of the same although I didn't really see any reaches on their part. 

Annnnd you lost me at picking apart the Broncos’ draft. There were a couple minor reaches (neither of which were Albert O) but some awesome Day 3 value picks and a clear vision throughout. High upside players from start to finish. They crushed it on paper and I’d rank them ahead of Dallas.

Edited May 8, 2020 by BroncoBruin

[BroncosFan2010]

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I would even say some of them were reaches like Albert O in semi early 4th as well as Hamler which was a surprise pick considering they still needed help on the OLine and in the secondary.

The Broncos offense has been anemic for nearly half a decade at this point. A middling OT taken over an explosive talent like Hamler or NFL ready red zone target like Albert O would have been nuts (FWIW, I am saying Albert O has the NFL ready skill of winning jump balls in the RZ, not that he is overall NFL ready. I have said before that he rounds his routes between the 20's like an airplane making a turn midair lol)

[JaguarCrazy2832]

1 hour ago, onejayhawk said:

That's why they were available where they were picked. If they were ready to step in and play, they go much higher. Drafts are mostly about the second season, not the first. Even high first round picks are expected to develop significantly. 

Don't go to sleep on Robinson. That was a really nice pick.

J

I wonder if it has more to do with them maybe not getting the chance in 2020? Idk

[Calvert28]

39 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said:

Annnnd you lost me at picking apart the Broncos’ draft. There were a couple minor reaches (neither of which were Albert O) but some awesome Day 3 value picks and a clear vision throughout. High upside players from start to finish. They crushed it on paper and I’d rank them ahead of Dallas.

Of course you would.

The only reason why ALbert O was drafted outside of the 7th round was because of that 4.49 40. Some teams had taken him off the board completely because of how badly he did during the season. Most had him going in the 5th in the days leading up to the draft some thought a team would overreach and take him in the 4th. Which would be the Denver Bronco's who also have last years 1st round TE on there with Fant, not to mention breakout specialist Lindsay, and now already having drafted Jeudy plus Hamler you guys still felt the need to take a TE? That's a reach bruh, there was a number of better players on the board at that moment that also fit the Bronco's needs and it definitely wasn't TE which you guys had more then enough of. I mean how many do yall even have?

[onejayhawk]

The Cowboys had one of the top offenses in the NFL before they landed CeeDee Lamb. Now only the Kansas City compares.

They go as far as the defense takes them. That sounds a bit like the Chiefs last year, doesn't it? There is no reason to count the Cowboys out this season. 

J

[Calvert28]

51 minutes ago, BroncosFan2010 said:

The Broncos offense has been anemic for nearly half a decade at this point. A middling OT taken over an explosive talent like Hamler or NFL ready red zone target like Albert O would have been nuts (FWIW, I am saying Albert O has the NFL ready skill of winning jump balls in the RZ, not that he is overall NFL ready. I have said before that he rounds his routes between the 20's like an airplane making a turn midair lol)

I understand that, but again you guys already have Fant who is an oversized WR with insane speed. Not to mention Lindsay and now GOrdon on the roster which would indicate they intend to establish more of a ground game to help out Lock and you guys take AO? You didn't even have to take offense, Robinson, Robertson, Wallace, numerous secondary guys still there that could have helped out. All of whom would be far more likely to see the field before AO. 

[BroncoBruin]

17 minutes ago, Calvert28 said:

Of course you would.

The only reason why ALbert O was drafted outside of the 7th round was because of that 4.49 40. Some teams had taken him off the board completely because of how badly he did during the season. Most had him going in the 5th in the days leading up to the draft some thought a team would overreach and take him in the 4th. Which would be the Denver Bronco's who also have last years 1st round TE on there with Fant, not to mention breakout specialist Lindsay, and now already having drafted Jeudy plus Hamler you guys still felt the need to take a TE? That's a reach bruh, there was a number of better players on the board at that moment that also fit the Bronco's needs and it definitely wasn't TE which you guys had more then enough of. I mean how many do yall even have?

Well, when you make your list, you can put Denver wherever you want! 

[CWood21]

2 hours ago, Turnobili said:

you arent going to get a 3 for four 7s, but you can move two sevens for a high seven, move that with another seven for a 6... consolidate through different teams, not just one big one.

its like when a team trades back multiple times from the same spot

That's not how trades work.  Teams aren't making deals without a strong idea of how the board shakes out.  You can't make that first trade until you're closer to your early 7th round pick that you're hypothetically trading up for.  If you wait to move up to that high 7th, you're well past the point of moving up into the 6th.

[CWood21]

2 hours ago, BroncosFan2010 said:

The Broncos offense has been anemic for nearly half a decade at this point. A middling OT taken over an explosive talent like Hamler or NFL ready red zone target like Albert O would have been nuts (FWIW, I am saying Albert O has the NFL ready skill of winning jump balls in the RZ, not that he is overall NFL ready. I have said before that he rounds his routes between the 20's like an airplane making a turn midair lol)

Explosive talent?  He drops a TON of balls.  If you're wanting a feast or famine WR, go right ahead.

[Calvert28]

5 minutes ago, CWood21 said:

That's not how trades work.  Teams aren't making deals without a strong idea of how the board shakes out.  You can't make that first trade until you're closer to your early 7th round pick that you're hypothetically trading up for.  If you wait to move up to that high 7th, you're well past the point of moving up into the 6th.

Maybe I'm reading what you said wrong. But the Saints did just that when they traded the back half of their draft to move up for Adam T. 

[CWood21]

2 minutes ago, Calvert28 said:

Maybe I'm reading what you said wrong. But the Saints did just that when they traded the back half of their draft to move up for Adam T. 

And I'd argue that was a wise use of resources by the Saints.  But I believe (and I haven't done any research into this), I'd say this isn't the standard.

[Calvert28]

1 minute ago, CWood21 said:

And I'd argue that was a wise use of resources by the Saints.  But I believe (and I haven't done any research into this), I'd say this isn't the standard.

But this goes back to my original point. If I have the ability to trade up for someone like Adam or Ashtyn, someone who has a strong possibility to compete early and with serious pro level potential I am going to do it. 

I understand the value of drafting possible UDFA's in the 7th just to ****** them up but the idea that the entire board exactly how they wanted that they didn't want to deal at all? I figured with their resources they could have at least traded up in the 3rd for Lewis, Baun, or Zuniga or something since Griffen may not come back. That's all im getting at.

[CWood21]

1 minute ago, Calvert28 said:

But this goes back to my original point. If I have the ability to trade up for someone like Adam or Ashtyn, someone who has a strong possibility to compete early and with serious pro level potential I am going to do it. 

I understand the value of drafting possible UDFA's in the 7th just to ****** them up but the idea that the entire board exactly how they wanted that they didn't want to deal at all? I figured with their resources they could have at least traded up in the 3rd for Lewis, Baun, or Zuniga or something since Griffen may not come back. That's all im getting at.

Unless I'm mistaken, you're arguing to the exception.  Not the rule.  If that offer was available, I'd absolutely take that deal.  But usually when you're talking about late Day 2/early Day 3 prospects, the line tends to get blurred.  Generally speaking, after around the 5th round you're usually drafting guys you want to get into camp.  Not necessarily guys you have draftable grades on.

[Matts4313]

Goldfish destroyed his entire list when he dropped us from #1 to #3. Shame Shame