HoboRocket Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 14 hours ago, VonKarman said: Fitzgerald was one play away from winning a SB and got to another NFC Championship game. I don't know if it's the best example. He literally carried them that second time, though. I mean, Larry Legend has had John Skelton, Max Hall, Matt Leinart, Kevin Kolb, Logan Thomas (yes, the TIGHT END), Sam Bradford, Josh Rosen, and Blaine Gabbert as his starting QBs. Kyler is his best QB since 2015 and he didn't even throw 20 TDs last season. Yet Fitz has still had multiple 1,000+ yard seasons in that span and been consistently productive at his age. Even last year, until down the stretch when Kirk got hot, if Larry didn't make a play in the passing game, nobody did. And he had his most productive start to the season in his career. Then what happened? The Cardinals had a "good" season where they wound up "only" picking eight overall in the draft. Shoot, that magical 2015 run where Carson Palmer's broken thumb ruined everything seems like a lifetime ago. Larry's career has absolutely been wasted. One of the best to ever play the game and nothing to show for it. The same can be said for Philip Rivers. I'd argue that DeAndre Hopkins could be on the team, as well, considering how poorly-run that Texans franchise has been. I mean, Nuk got drafted, balled out, and had Ryan Fitzpatrick, Case Keenum, Brian Hoyer, Ryan Mallett, TJ Yates, Brandon Weeden, Tom Savage, and Brock Osweiler as his starting QBs until they drafted Deshaun. Then they got Deshaun, the person who wanted him and made sure he was drafted got fired, they traded away Duane Brown and lost Derek Newton to a catastrophic injury. Gave him zero protection. Mortgaged their future for the offensive line with minimal results (the OL was the Texans' highest-paid position group BEFORE the Tunsil contract), aside from the Tunsil trade, which got them decent protection, but they spent lots of draft capital and the most money in league history on a single OT in the process. Through this whole time, Nuk has been pretty much the only weapon in that offense. Sure, Fuller has been splashy for stretches, but he also has no idea what he's doing out there sometimes and is constantly off the field due to injury. No TEs to speak of, no complimentary receivers for most of Nuk's career. And now he's been traded away from the Texans team that hasn't ever really managed to be anything besides okay, and that's only due to the combined efforts of JJ Watt and DeAndre Hopkins. So yeah, Hopkins and JJ should absolutely be on the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 15 hours ago, Kiwibrown said: What is he NFL all time team for career wasted by spending it with a bad franchise? Define "bad franchise" and then I will try to answer. Because you have some head scratchers. Tyron Smith has been on the #1 regular season team twice almost 3 times. Barry Sanders teams were usually pretty good. The Bengals went to the playoffs a bunch. Texans have gone to the playoffs a bunch of times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedGold Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Don’t think I’ve seen Steven Jackson. One of my favorite RB’s, would have been awesome to see him with some talent around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATcha Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Archie Manning Willie Roaf Ricky Jackson Sam Mills Pat Swilling Some pretty bad Saints teams in there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted May 8, 2020 Author Share Posted May 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: Define "bad franchise" and then I will try to answer. Because you have some head scratchers. Tyron Smith has been on the #1 regular season team twice almost 3 times. Barry Sanders teams were usually pretty good. The Bengals went to the playoffs a bunch. Texans have gone to the playoffs a bunch of times. someone else mentioned him so I put him in. I havent gone through the whole list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchDJ Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 So basically, if you didn’t win a ring, your career was wasted? Alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted May 8, 2020 Author Share Posted May 8, 2020 1 minute ago, ClutchDJ said: So basically, if you didn’t win a ring, your career was wasted? Alright. im not a fan of that idea to be honest either. If you are a browns fan and a cowboys fan the idea of what a bad franchise is a lot different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchDJ Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: im not a fan of that idea to be honest either. If you are a browns fan and a cowboys fan the idea of what a bad franchise is a lot different. Not to mention that these players continually sign contracts with the franchise that has been “wasting” them. Doesn’t seem like the players themselves think they’re being wasted if they’re still there. Some of the names mentioned are hilarious, too. Philip Rivers? Really? That guy is responsible for his own shortcomings in both the regular & especially the postseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucsfan333 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Lavonte David has been one of the best LBs in football for the last eight years and nobody even knows who he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted May 8, 2020 Author Share Posted May 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, ClutchDJ said: Not to mention that these players continually sign contracts with the franchise that has been “wasting” them. Doesn’t seem like the players themselves think they’re being wasted if they’re still there. Some of the names mentioned are hilarious, too. Philip Rivers? Really? That guy is responsible for his own shortcomings in both the regular & especially the postseason. I guess joe Thomas is the gold standard and probably archie manning oo, great players that played well on bad bad teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 24 minutes ago, bucsfan333 said: Lavonte David has been one of the best LBs in football for the last eight years and nobody even knows who he is. what team does he play for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocky_rams Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 15 hours ago, massraider said: Dan Marino is the captain of this team. Best pure passer ever. Rodgers is better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btfd16 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 So many RBs. Steven Jackson, Barry, Adrian Peterson, Fred Taylor. Sheesh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, btfd16 said: So many RBs. Steven Jackson, Barry, Adrian Peterson, Fred Taylor. Sheesh. Because RBs are the least important offensive piece. PS Archie Manning was trash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 23 minutes ago, rocky_rams said: Rodgers is better not as a pure passer. no way. Arod is better because of his mobility Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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