Notable Stats

[Matts4313]

Here are some notable stats for @SkippyX. 

Since 2016 Zeke is the 105th out of 105 best pass catcher - min 300 targets. This is based on like 6 different measurements. 

Zeke now has a negative EPA. Which means each time he touches the ball, our chances of scoring that drive goes down.

Edited February 2, 2022 by Matts4313

[El Ramster]

9 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Here are some notable stats for @SkippyX. 

Since 2016 Zeke is the 105th out of 105 best pass catcher - min 300 targets. This is based on like 6 different measurements. 

Zeke now has a negative EPA. Which means each time he touches the ball, our chances of scoring that drive goes down.

I just saw Matthew Stafford not have a run

game against tampa or sf and still win. Why can’t Dak not do that? Why does he need the run game to be a decent human being? Why??! Why does he need zeke? 

[Matts4313]

3 minutes ago, El Ramster said:

I just saw Matthew Stafford not have a run

game against tampa or sf and still win. Why can’t Dak not do that? Why does he need the run game to be a decent human being? Why??! Why does he need zeke? 

Thats what I am trying to say. He doesnt. Zeke sucks and he hurts our offense outside of pass blocking. Yet our coaching staff still wants to (idiotically) make him the focal point.

[El Ramster]

1 hour ago, Matts4313 said:

Thats what I am trying to say. He doesnt. Zeke sucks and he hurts our offense outside of pass blocking. Yet our coaching staff still wants to (idiotically) make him the focal point.

Are you sure because @SkippyXhas posted numbers with and without a 100 yard rusher and he’s not that good babes.

 

you promise daddy!?

[Matts4313]

1 minute ago, El Ramster said:

Are you sure because @SkippyXhas posted numbers with and without a 100 yard rusher and he’s not that good babes.

 

you promise daddy!?

Skippy doesnt watch the games. He watches the box score. Zekes best games are when Dak is killing it; because the pass opens up the run. Not the other way around. Somewhere in the last 20 years that changed. But it is very very clear that teams know they can stop our run game with 4 DL if Zeke is in the game. Which means pretty much every game we play is 7 in coverage. 

One of the reasons Dak was so killer in the first half of the seasons as teams blitzed us. Dak was #1 in the NFL against the blitz. 

Much like Mahomes, teams now play exclusively pass coverage against us. Which is what the Bengals did to Mahomes in the playoffs. 

[El Ramster]

9 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

Skippy doesnt watch the games. He watches the box score. Zekes best games are when Dak is killing it; because the pass opens up the run. Not the other way around. Somewhere in the last 20 years that changed. But it is very very clear that teams know they can stop our run game with 4 DL if Zeke is in the game. Which means pretty much every game we play is 7 in coverage. 

One of the reasons Dak was so killer in the first half of the seasons as teams blitzed us. Dak was #1 in the NFL against the blitz. 

Much like Mahomes, teams now play exclusively pass coverage against us. Which is what the Bengals did to Mahomes in the playoffs. 

Great QBs will find the holes though. Brady/Manning will rip you apart. Not fair to Dak though, crazy comparison. He’s more Eli than Peyton. 

[Matts4313]

33 minutes ago, El Ramster said:

Great QBs will find the holes though. Brady/Manning will rip you apart. Not fair to Dak though, crazy comparison. He’s more Eli than Peyton. 

That is true. Good QBs/teams find the whole in zone. IF - and this is a major if - they have time to get through their reads. Dak didnt. Teams killed us with 4 man blitzes. Our OL went to dogpoop. Its not a great excuse but Moore and Dak couldnt find a way to get the ball out of his hands quick enough to have a clean passing lane. They tried slants, they tried screens, they tried bootlegs. Hell, they tried 7 OL in the game + Zeke.... but it was all crap. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Matts4313

[Forge]

[Mr Bad Example]

On 1/31/2022 at 5:01 PM, El Ramster said:

I’m sorry but how isn’t this the greatest WR season ever? I’m confused. No ones gone over 2k ever. He’s dam Near 2400. 

Don Hutson's 1942. 

No, really - his 74-1211-17 looks like a Pro Bowl season today, but let's take 2nd best in all those categories and you get a 27-571-8 line; it's the equivalent of Kupp going 356-3400-29 rec. 

Most impressive at the moment, Hutson's rec yds was more than four of the ten TEAMS managed. 

 

Sure, it's fair to point out that the game was MUCH different back then, and that's fair. His 17 TD catches (in 11 games, no less) stood until Mark Clayton had 18 in 1984 though.  

 

[SkippyX]

2 hours ago, Matts4313 said:

Here are some notable stats for @SkippyX. 

Since 2016 Zeke is the 105th out of 105 best pass catcher - min 300 targets. This is based on like 6 different measurements. 

Zeke now has a negative EPA. Which means each time he touches the ball, our chances of scoring that drive goes down.

Wow, @Matts4313 bringing 'zeke's receiving skills to an argument about the Cowboys rushing yards being required for Dak to excel at that winning games thing. No one has ever claimed that 'zeke is a great 3rd down back. No one has ever said he was even a decent pass catcher AFAIK.

 

Pollard averaged 7.9 a target this year and 'zeke 4.4 a target. Zeke still got 19 more targets. I'd say that's because Dak, Moore, and McCarthy were idiots. What's your explanation?

 

Anyway, this year the running game your hero needed was a combo of 'zeke and Pollard.

Pollard's metrics in 2021 were clearly and obviously better. How does that make Dak a great QB?

 

There was a game where Elliot/Pollard combined for a bad 76 yards on 23 carries and 7 targets for 24 yards.

That's a pathetic 30 plays for 100 yards or 3.3 per play.

Cooper Rush still managed the game winning drive with about a minute to play in his only start. 👀

They averaged 140.3 yards a game for Dak. Did he have to overcome 140+ yards from scrimmage a game from his running backs? Was that a burden? 

 

Dak is still that 8th to 14th best stats dude that can't carry a team.

He's a bit like a Jimmy G with a star on his helmet.

• To be fair, Jimmy G was 3-6 in 2021 when the 49ers did not run for 120
• He was 0-1 in 2020
• He was 6-1 in 2019
• He was 0-1 in 2018
• He was 3-0 in 2017
• He was 1-0 in NE.

That's 12-9 and its way better than that joke QB in Dallas.

[Matts4313]

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

I'd say that's because Dak, Moore, and McCarthy were idiots. What's your explanation?

That the biggest flaw in the Cowboys organization was the fact that the Jones' fell in love with Zeke and they cant reprioritize the primary focus of the offense worth a damn. Zeke needs to be cut/traded ASAP. Its Daks team to everyone except the owner and his son. 

[SkippyX]

There are no stats to fix Dak being 18-25 outside the NFC East in the last 5 years.

19-27 including playoffs

When he sucks less I will gladly take note of that (like he did in 2016 at 10-0)

Edited February 3, 2022 by SkippyX

[Matts4313]

2 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

There are no stats to fix Dak being 16-23 outside the NFC East in the last 5 years.

17-25 including playoffs

When he sucks less I will gladly take note of that (like he did in 2016)

Right, no stats. But there is basic logic. Wins are a team stat. And Dak has been amazing in a lot of those losses. 

[SkippyX]

9 minutes ago, Matts4313 said:

That the biggest flaw in the Cowboys organization was the fact that the Jones' fell in love with Zeke and they cant reprioritize the primary focus of the offense worth a damn. Zeke needs to be cut/traded ASAP. Its Daks team to everyone except the owner and his son. 

Are you saying that Jerrah and son call the formations, substitutions, and plays or that Moore, Dak, and McCarthy are afraid of them so they pass more often to Elliot?

The guy who supposedly lets Moore run the offense and the assistant GM pick the players is going to require Zeke to get more targets than Pollard?

[Matts4313]

1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

Are you saying that Jerrah and son call the formations, substitutions, and plays or that Moore, Dak, and McCarthy are afraid of them so they pass more often to Elliot?

The guy who supposedly lets Moore run the offense and the assistant GM pick the players is going to require Zeke to get more targets than Pollard?

It was rumored that the Jones family has a strict "money plays" policy. Sunk cost fallacy. The plays and the offense is up to Moore. But, allegedly, which players start/get the most playing time is tied to paycheck. 

 

I dont know how much of that is true. But I do know they LOVE Zeke and they cant be happy when he got benched last year and out performed by his back up this year.