SkippyX Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 1 hour ago, fortdetroit said: Stafford is now top 5 all time in playoff QB rating. Small sample sizes lolZ meh, he had a good rating in his first game but lost a shootout. (97) His second game was not terrible, he just needed to make a few more plays (or party bus refs call the game correctly) (87.7) His 3rd game was pretty bad as far as no TDs, low completion %, and low yards per pass but it was not Andy Dalton bad (75.7) He has been fantastically efficient so far in 2021. (154.5 and 121.2) If you are good overall in all 4 stats that go into passer rating its not really small sample size. Its you playing pretty well overall as a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Kay Adams made an awesome point on GMF this morning about people needing to get over all the insulting of everything Detroit that was not Stafford. The problem was that he did not thrive with some decent teams, not that he was Andy Dalton. We don't have to pretend he was awful but we also don't have to pretend that those Lions teams were never any good. He continued his trouble against winning teams as a Rams QB earlier this year but he's clearly rewriting that in these playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 hours ago, SkippyX said: Yet Dak sucks when the Cowboys don't run well. Who cares what his 1st quarter deep middle interception rate is when he loses by 10? Dak thrived this year when the WFT got the Covid and when the Eagles played their backups. He's just a guy. If the Cowboys need elite line play every week then Cooper Rush is probably fine for easy mode. Its when things are tough that you need your QB and after 6 years, Dak 'aint it. Needing elite and needing better than 32 (or near it) are completely different things. And you are being a fool if you are so blinded by hatred that you cant recognize that. The last half of the season we dropped 20 points in PBWR. We led, or nearly led, the NFL in pressures and sacks. All while teams stopped blitzing. Why did they stop blitzing? Because Dak was #1 in the the NFL against the blitz. They realized that they could beat our 6 (5 OL + Zeke) with their 4, while dropping 7 into coverage against 4 receiving targets (3 WR + TE). This is very basic stuff that you are refusing to accept. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Chiefer said: Some QBs need a good running game to succeed. Its what separates the Alex Smiths from the Patrick Mahomes of the league Those QBs’ teams may need good running games to succeed. That doesn’t mean their running games influence their individual performance. There is little correlation between running game variables and QB performance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, The Guy said: Those QBs’ teams may need good running games to succeed. That doesn’t mean their running games influence their individual performance. There is little correlation between running game variables and QB performance. For Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen, yeah it doesnt matter, for a guy like Dak Prescott or Carson Wentz it does. Each QB is different, and should be treated so Edited January 25, 2022 by Chiefer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 9 hours ago, fortdetroit said: Stafford is now top 5 all time in playoff QB rating. Small sample sizes lolZ "Stafford has never won a playoff game and chokes in big games"....I heartily anticipate goalposts being moved to diminish whatever Stafford does in the playoffs. I'm hoping the Rams win because he is among the more long-suffering players in the league but even if he continues to play excellent football and wins SB MVP it'll be "well, let's see him do it a second time." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Chiefer said: For Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen, yeah it doesnt matter, for a guy like Dak Prescott or Carson Wentz it does. Each QB is different, and should be treated so We've already done this. The correlation between Dallas's passer rating and their number of rushing yards, game-by-game between 2016 and 2021 (including the playoffs), is 0.32. So, 10% of the variance in Prescott's passer rating is explained by Dallas's number of rushing yards. 90% of the variance in his passer rating is unexplained by it. Prescott can do just fine when they run the ball for comparatively fewer yards, and he can play poorly when they run the ball for comparatively more yards. Again this belief that "QBs benefit from their run games" is a myth. What QBs benefit from is their own pass defense, which hopefully limits the opposing QB and allows him to outduel him in the passing game. Dak Prescott doesn't need Zeke Elliott -- he needs pass rushers and corners. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Chiefer said: For Pat Mahomes or Josh Allen, yeah it doesnt matter, for a guy like Dak Prescott or Carson Wentz it does. Each QB is different, and should be treated so Nope. This is absolutely and totally dead wrong (re-Dak needs a run game). Not only by multiple sites/analyst across the broad NFL spectrum, but also by people who analyze the Cowboys/Dak specifically. The simple truth is the correct answer. Dak has been a top 3 QB (better than Brady, for those keeping score) when he has adequate time to throw. He is not good at all when he is getting beat by a 4 man line. But that isnt really a knock on him, weve seen Brady and Mahomes lose superbowls when the OL poops the bed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SkippyX Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Its amazing that these bros won't stop with the Dak sniffing. They are a bad team when they don't run for 120+ This is reality. A great QB can overcome that. A very good QB can as well. That .32 correlation separates a B+ Dak as the QB of a football team and a C- one. Rodgers was 8-2 when Green Bay did not run for 120 and 6-4 last year. Tampa with Brady was and 8-5 this year and 9-5 last year. Stafford in LA was 8-4 this year Mahomes was 8-2 this year and 9-3 last year. Tannehill was 6-2 this year under 120 rushing. (7-6 as a Titan) Allen was 4-6 this year and 10-3 last year. Its part of why 2021 was a slog for them. Dak was 2-6 because he is not the guy. He was also 0-2 in 2020 and 2-6 in 2019 He was 3-6 in 2018. He was 1-4 in 2017. He was 2-3 in 2016. 10-27 when his team does not dominate the ground game is not my imagination. FYI Dak was 10-1 in games outside the NFC East in that magical O-line 2016 rookie season. He is 19-28 since then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Guy Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, SkippyX said: Its amazing that these bros won't stop with the Dak sniffing. They are a bad team when they don't run for 120+ This is reality. A great QB can overcome that. A very good QB can as well. That .32 correlation separates a B+ Dak as the QB of a football team and a C- one. Rodgers was 8-2 when Green Bay did not run for 120 and 6-4 last year. Tampa with Brady was and 8-5 this year and 9-5 last year. Stafford in LA was 8-4 this year Mahomes was 8-2 this year and 9-3 last year. Tannehill was 6-2 this year under 120 rushing. (7-6 as a Titan) Allen was 4-6 this year and 10-3 last year. Its part of why 2021 was a slog for them. Dak was 2-6 because he is not the guy. He was also 0-2 in 2020 and 2-6 in 2019 He was 3-6 in 2018. He was 1-4 in 2017. He was 2-3 in 2016. 10-27 when his team does not dominate the ground game is not my imagination. FYI Dak was 10-1 in games outside the NFC East in that magical O-line 2016 rookie season. He is 19-28 since then. Chart those same games and tell us what the QBs' passer ratings were. You'll find a near-zero correlation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Even Lamar Jackson is 6-6 on the rare times Baltimore does not hit 120 (and he's their leading rusher) Jalen Hurts is 2-6 so far. Its almost like he's a QB who can't carry a team with his arm right now. Jones was 2-4 this season, including the -1 rushing yards Tampa game. Tua was 5-4 this year and 4-2 last year. Herbert was 4-6 as a rookie and 6-6 this year. Carr was 6-8 this year and 3-6 last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 Just now, The Guy said: Chart those same games and tell us what the QBs' passer ratings were. You'll find a near-zero correlation. Passer rating is not a 1 to 1 in winning games. Find me other good QBs who suck at winning as badly as Dak at below 120 rushing yards... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) Dak may be the best in NFL history at exploitation video game stats. See his Week 1-3 Super Bowl of 2019 for example. Try his week 16 vs Covid WFT and Week 18 vs Philly's backups. He has 39 TDs to 8 picks vs the Giants and WFT (he did not play the WFT when they had a good D last year) He had 14 TDs to 2 picks vs NY and DC in 2019. He was 16 to 9 in the other 12 games. Its great that he's 18-3 against DC and NY. Rodgers does this to Detroit and Chicago. Brady did it to Buffalo and the Jets. (and now Atlanta) Manning did it to the Texans and the Jags and the Titans. The problem is that those guys were not 31-29 when not playing those teams. Edited January 25, 2022 by SkippyX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted January 25, 2022 Share Posted January 25, 2022 (edited) A Dak fan is fine with hollow stats and 1 playoff win in 6 years. They just have no idea how this keeps happening. That O-line always falls apart outside the NFC East!!!! Drops!!! A Cowboys fan should not be. Edited January 26, 2022 by SkippyX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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