patriotsheatyan Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 What’s the best offense with a bad QB you have ever seen? Whats the best offense with a terrible RB? Best offenses with terrible WR? Best offense with terrible OL? Best defense with terrible DL? Best defense with terrible LB? Best defense with terrible DB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, patriotsheatyan said: Whats the best offense with a terrible RB? 1996 49ers for sure. 3rd in points scored, 2nd offensive dvoa. The best running back on the roster was Terry Kirby with fewer than 600 yards. Guys with multiple starts were Kirby, William Floyd, Derek loville, touchdown Tommy Vardell. Anthony Lynn also started one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 (edited) I recall in 2002 when Kurt Warner completely flipped, and started playing terribly the Greatest Show on Turf offense for the Rams just completely **** the bed, and essentially couldn't score like they used to. Jaime Martin came in when Warner got hurt, and things didn't improve. That Rams started 0-5, and it wasn't until Marc Bulger stepped in the offense got going again, and they won 6 games where he started and finished. That was an offense with Torry Holt, Issac Bruce, and Marshall Faulk still in their prime. The Houston Oilers of the early 1990's usually had a top ten offense, especially via the pass. But their runners weren't particularly noteworthy. But I think Gary Brown or Lorenzo White had a good year or two during that stretch. Edited July 25, 2020 by TecmoSuperJoe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Texans O in 2018 - Watson, Hopkins, Fuller, Lamar Miller and the worst OL you could imagine. 24 minutes ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: The Houston Oilers of the early 1990's usually had a top ten offense, especially via the pass. But their runners weren't particularly noteworthy. But I think Gary Brown or Lorenzo White had a good year or two during that stretch. Gary Brown had a year where he put up 1,000 in eight games - it was really impressive, he was running over everyone that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I’m sure the 2019 Ravens have to make the list. Best rushing attack of all time, one of the most scoring efficient offenses of all time... yet the most yards from a WR was less than 600 yards. The WR core totaled only 1419 yards... which if they were a collective individual would’ve barely edged out Julio Jones to finish as second for receiving yards in 2019. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 (edited) On 7/25/2020 at 6:13 PM, patriotsheatyan said: What’s the best offense with a bad QB you have ever seen? Might be Jimmy G last year honestly. Quote Whats the best offense with a terrible RB? 2003 Patriots. Their RBs weren’t terribad, but certainly not inspiring. Quote Best offenses with terrible WR? 2019 Ravens. Quote Best offense with terrible OL? Seattle Seahawks with Lynch and Wilson. Quote Best defense with terrible DL? 2019 Patriots. Quote Best defense with terrible LB? 2017 Eagles...whatever Eagles team won the chip. Quote Best defense with terrible DB? Edited July 26, 2020 by BleedTheClock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Really need clarification on the QB one. Is it a good offense with a quarterback who played bad, or a good offense with a QB who played well that year, but was not a good quarterback? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, Forge said: Really need clarification on the QB one. Is it a good offense with a quarterback who played bad, or a good offense with a QB who played well that year, but was not a good quarterback? Best offense with a QB that played bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 (edited) 1986 Bears. Jim McMahon, Steve Fuller, Mike Tomczak, and Doug Flutie all combined for a passer rating of 62.5. Bears still finished 13th in points, and 7th in yards. 20th in DVOA though. Their offense was ***, but their defense was so remarkable to be able to put them in favorable positions. Their special teams unit was good too. Really though, it's difficult to think of a really good offense where the QB played bad. I can't think of one where a unit topped 400 points in the 16 game era, where the team dominated offensively in spite of it's quarterback play. Because it just wouldn't be a formidable offense. Maybe one of Dennis Green's early Vikings teams. One of those units were pretty good even with Rich Gannon and Sean Sailsbury playing musical chairs. Edited July 27, 2020 by TecmoSuperJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorsutus Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 I know I sound like a broken record at this point but the titans last year scoring over 30ppg and having sub 50% fg percentage. The titans actually scored as many fgs in one game about 15 years ago as they did all season (8). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7DnBrnc53 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 On 7/25/2020 at 6:47 PM, ET80 said: Texans O in 2018 - Watson, Hopkins, Fuller, Lamar Miller and the worst OL you could imagine. Gary Brown had a year where he put up 1,000 in eight games - it was really impressive, he was running over everyone that year. Lorenzo White also put up 1,226 yards in 92 (his only 1,000 yard year, but it was also the only year where he got over 250 carries. He averaged 4.6 ypc). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 15 hours ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: 1986 Bears. Jim McMahon, Steve Fuller, Mike Tomczak, and Doug Flutie all combined for a passer rating of 62.5. Bears still finished 13th in points, and 7th in yards. 20th in DVOA though. Their offense was ***, but their defense was so remarkable to be able to put them in favorable positions. Their special teams unit was good too. Really though, it's difficult to think of a really good offense where the QB played bad. I can't think of one where a unit topped 400 points in the 16 game era, where the team dominated offensively in spite of it's quarterback play. Because it just wouldn't be a formidable offense. Maybe one of Dennis Green's early Vikings teams. One of those units were pretty good even with Rich Gannon and Sean Sailsbury playing musical chairs. It's funny you went here. I was going to go 1989 Bears. I believe they were 4th in dvoa, 10th in points, 10th in yards, but their quarterbacks through 25 ints to 21 touchdowns, completed only 55% of their passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 On 7/26/2020 at 6:19 AM, Forge said: 1996 49ers for sure. 3rd in points scored, 2nd offensive dvoa. The best running back on the roster was Terry Kirby with fewer than 600 yards. Guys with multiple starts were Kirby, William Floyd, Derek loville, touchdown Tommy Vardell. Anthony Lynn also started one. The year before that was worse. The offense was more than twice as efficient compared to 1996, yet the best runner on the team was Derek Loville with 723 yards and a 3.3 average. The entire rush offense ranked 23rd in yards, and 25th in YPA, yet ranked 4th in DVOA at 18.3%. Pretty remarkable with that kind of shackling in place. Ricky Watters leaving for Philadelphia was such a blow to the franchise. The secondary remained very good despite losing Sanders, but the running game got worse. Having Watters might have been the equalizer against those Packers teams in 1995 and 1996. Even when Hearst came later, I thought Watters was the better back due to his ability as a receiver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: 1986 Bears. Jim McMahon, Steve Fuller, Mike Tomczak, and Doug Flutie all combined for a passer rating of 62.5. Bears still finished 13th in points, and 7th in yards. 20th in DVOA though. Their offense was ***, but their defense was so remarkable to be able to put them in favorable positions. Their special teams unit was good too. Really though, it's difficult to think of a really good offense where the QB played bad. I can't think of one where a unit topped 400 points in the 16 game era, where the team dominated offensively in spite of it's quarterback play. Because it just wouldn't be a formidable offense. Maybe one of Dennis Green's early Vikings teams. One of those units were pretty good even with Rich Gannon and Sean Sailsbury playing musical chairs. Jim McMahon played better than his numbers show. He was a solid QB. He just played injured all season and then a dirty hit by the Packers ended his season in week 12. This started a chain of events that would eventually cost us in the playoffs. Ditka didn't trust Tomczak(sp), despite the team winning with him, so Ditka decided to brings in Flutie 2 weeks before the playoffs and makes the stupid decision to start him over Tomczak. Then Ditka gets out-coached by Joe Gibbs two years in a row. Edited July 28, 2020 by JustAnotherFan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoboRocket Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 On 7/26/2020 at 8:04 PM, patriotsheatyan said: Best offense with a QB that played bad. Definitely NOT the 49ers last year, then. Being a fan of a rival team, I can genuinely appreciate how clutch Jimmy was for most of last season. And you can't even argue that he was always in a good spot. It's like... That offense was a machine. And whenever it looked like the offense was going to stall, or the defense was about to get a 3rd down stop, Jimmy would make an improbable completion. Like, yeah, he wasn't asked to carry the offense, but the dude converted money downs at an insane rate, at least in all the games that I watched. Is he overrated by casual fans? Definitely. Is he overhated by most people who fancy ourselves gurus? Definitely. Dude is a flawed QB who overall played some exceptional football and thrived in a smaller workload where he wasn't really getting a chance to consistently get into a steady rhythm the way that guys like Kyler Murray are able to, while coming through in a lot of high-stakes situations. Yeah, he had a phenomenal defense, a very consistent running game, a good OL, and one of the best TEs in football. He also didn't really poop the bed until the very end, and even then, it was just a bad game. He wasn't awful. So yeah. The argument could be made about plenty of other teams in recent years that had awful QB play. Heck, the 2015 Broncos won a chip. They had a million weapons and a great D, but QB play was terrible. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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