GangGreen420 Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 LOL 45 votes for yes. Amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Ninersfan1984 said: The whole tanking for a QB is dumb. It over values how important a QB is to a team. People act like you just get a QB and your team will be instantly good which is not true because you need someone to run the ball and catch passes and you need a defense to win games. We are just at a time when QB’s are way overrated as a position. Nope, it's pretty true. Getting an elite QB is the easiest way to make a team a playoff contender, and building around them is how you get to the SB. Yeah, you need the rest of the team to be good too, but an elite QB can make up for a lot of deficits. If Lawrence can have an effect as immediate as Luck joining the Colts, than it's worth forgoing the 1 or 2 moral victories you might win to grab him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awsi Dooger Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 Laughable. Is that the way you tank...take a 4 point lead and hold it until the final seconds? Hold the Raiders near the goal line on the prior drive? Now that's a major brainstorm. This argument reminds me of so many nutcases I met in the Las Vegas sports betting scene. A team would make a last second 3 pointer to cover the spread, and these guys would rant fix. That pass from Carr to Riggs was no different than a 3 point shot, other than the percentage was lower. No matter what strategy the Jets employed, the odds of that play evolving into a touchdown was remarkably low. Somehow the clueless analysts have no conception of that. They see the pass blocking and everything else unfold exactly as it did on that play, and somehow assume it was inevitable and would always play out that way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soflbillsfan Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 It is just bad overall coaching. Why would anyone think this team is going to tank on purpose knowing that your job is pretty much over. Best way to screw over the organization that is about to can you is mess up their future by winning a game and forcing them to make a difficult decision come draft day when they have to pick at #2 instead of 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 On 12/6/2020 at 4:23 PM, wwhickok said: No question in my mind. Imo, they should lose their 1st round pick As should the Jaguars, Bengals, Chargers and Cowboys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VigilantZombie Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, Danger said: As should the Jaguars, Bengals, Chargers and Cowboys. The Jags, Bengals, and Chargers are trying to win they just suck. The Jets are clearly trying to win the Trevor Lawrence Bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_is_the_best Posted December 8, 2020 Share Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) I don’t buy the "If they’re tanking, why did they come back?" excuse. Of course they’re tanking. And I don't mean the players. I mean the team. The players want to win. The Jets corner had no intention of giving up a TD. The Jets aren't going to overtly tank. The FO is happy to play close and lose. The idea that Williams thought cover zero with a QB spy was the right play is less believable than any of the tinfoil-hat conspiracies. Edited December 8, 2020 by Joe_is_the_best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_James Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 18 hours ago, Joe_is_the_best said: I don’t buy the "If they’re tanking, why did they come back?" excuse. Of course they’re tanking. And I don't mean the players. I mean the team. The players want to win. The Jets corner had no intention of giving up a TD. The Jets aren't going to overtly tank. The FO is happy to play close and lose. The idea that Williams thought cover zero with a QB spy was the right play is less believable than any of the tinfoil-hat conspiracies. If they were tanking why would they fire Williams? You don't fire a guy if you're just following orders. And yes, Williams did think that was the right play. He's that stupid and aggressively-minded. Have you Googled this guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_James Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) On 12/7/2020 at 7:32 PM, NJerseypaint said: Nope, it's pretty true. Getting an elite QB is the easiest way to make a team a playoff contender, and building around them is how you get to the SB. Yeah, you need the rest of the team to be good too, but an elite QB can make up for a lot of deficits. If Lawrence can have an effect as immediate as Luck joining the Colts, than it's worth forgoing the 1 or 2 moral victories you might win to grab him. They already got an elite QB and proceeded to surround him with the least talented roster in the NFL. Seriously, they are horrid at every position besides QB. The idea that they are going to get Lawrence and somehow improve is.....a joke. There's a high chance that Lawrence will be a bust anyway, there's always that chance with #1 pick QB's. Unless they make HUGE improvements to their O-line, he's going to have the same issues Darnold has. But sure, spend bazillions on QB's while the whole roster is full of guys who would get cut from a college team lol. Edited December 9, 2020 by Saint_James Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 On 12/6/2020 at 4:21 PM, RaidersAreOne said: Down 4, no timeouts, Raiders around mid field NEEDING a TD. The Jets blitz hard leaving Ruggs 1 on 1 vs. a DB with ZERO Safety help. Is this just the worst coaching call in history or did they purposely lose? Gregg Williams is just a terrible coach and makes dumb calls like this all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJerseypaint Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Saint_James said: They already got an elite QB and proceeded to surround him with the least talented roster in the NFL. Seriously, they are horrid at every position besides QB. The idea that they are going to get Lawrence and somehow improve is.....a joke. There's a high chance that Lawrence will be a bust anyway, there's always that chance with #1 pick QB's. Unless they make HUGE improvements to their O-line, he's going to have the same issues Darnold has. But sure, spend bazillions on QB's while the whole roster is full of guys who would get cut from a college team lol. If you want to think Sam was elite, either now or coming out of college, that's your opinion but it's certainly not the popular one. If he was rated as highly as Trevor Lawrence, he would have went first overall without question. A lot of your post is just blanket statements without much logic. The Jets improving after getting Lawrence is not a joke, it's entirely realistic (see Andrew Luck). Lawrence has a high chance of being a bust? Yeah first overalls bust all the time, but rarely the ones with his resume. Unless we make huge improvements to the OL? We already are making improvements to the OL by drafting what looks to be a franchise LT and the cornerstone to our line. Jets have had draft issues, but the pieces are falling into place. Becton is the truth, Mims is looking better every week since he's returned from injury, Q is breaking out this year, and Maye hasn't missed a beat with Adams gone. Not to mention the JAGs that have made a splash (JFM, Foley, Crowder, Jenkins), We still have as many holes as the next guy, but we aren't totally devoid of talent. Plus, we have 4 first round picks in the next 2 seasons. We can grab Trevor, grab 3 more 1st round talents, and hit FA with $70M in cap to help him grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattmanz91 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Saint_James said: They already got an elite QB and proceeded to surround him with the least talented roster in the NFL. Seriously, they are horrid at every position besides QB. The idea that they are going to get Lawrence and somehow improve is.....a joke. There's a high chance that Lawrence will be a bust anyway, there's always that chance with #1 pick QB's. Unless they make HUGE improvements to their O-line, he's going to have the same issues Darnold has. But sure, spend bazillions on QB's while the whole roster is full of guys who would get cut from a college team lol. Yes the roster is barren of talent but there is elite talent other than the QB. Becton has been close to elite or elite all season, the same could be said for quinnen williams. Smaller sample size for Mims, but he's graded out well every week and would have much better stats if it wasn't for poor coaching and lack of targets, jamison crowder is very good and reliable. Again the roster is bare of talent but it's incredibly unfair to say every player there than Darnold would get cut from a college roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_is_the_best Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Saint_James said: If they were tanking why would they fire Williams? You don't fire a guy if you're just following orders. And yes, Williams did think that was the right play. He's that stupid and aggressively-minded. Have you Googled this guy? To give him a paid vacation? Having a QB spy in that situation is not being aggressive. No coach ever made a worse call. That doesn't prove anything, but it certainly makes you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Joe_is_the_best said: To give him a paid vacation? Having a QB spy in that situation is not being aggressive. No coach ever made a worse call. That doesn't prove anything, but it certainly makes you think. Gregg Williams has a 20+ year history of making terrible calls on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_James Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 3 hours ago, Joe_is_the_best said: To give him a paid vacation? Having a QB spy in that situation is not being aggressive. No coach ever made a worse call. That doesn't prove anything, but it certainly makes you think. No, it doesn't. Sometimes people really are that stupid. Sometimes they really do let emotions and gut-feel overrule good sense. You can't make everything evidence of your little conspiracy man. My teams DC did something equally stupid in the Minneapolis Miracle game and I assure you we weren't tanking. Dennis Allen called a cover-zero with no safeties deep in a situation where the ONLY way they win is scoring a bomb touchdown with seconds left. Guess what happened? DIGGGGSSSS!!!!!! 🤢 Still makes me sick. So yes, sometimes people are just stupid idiots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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