MOSteelers56 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, warfelg said: Like I'd actually argue, now, Edmunds is a top 15 SS in the NFL. I agree with the entire sentiment of your post. I just quoted this section because I wanted to discuss it. I agree with this take. He's improved every year he's been in the league and I wouldn't say it's ridiculous to think he'll be one of the better SS in the league when his rookie deal expires. I would agree normally about Browning being available with our second pick, but I think some team will fall in love with his measurables and take him long before 55. There might be some other ILBs that could push him down to us, but you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcash4 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) 57 minutes ago, warfelg said: Like I'd actually argue, now, Edmunds is a top 15 SS in the NFL. Id have to really look at the list of players to consider this. Off the jump it feels a little rich for me, but being the 14th or 13th best SS also isn't exactly a glowing review of a fairly meh position group league wide....so that's probably an accurate statement. Overall I agree with what you are saying in general. I think Edmunds is overwhelmingly average in one of the best situations a box styled athletic S could ask for. The exercise was grading the last 5 first round draft picks and I agree with someone that he was a C/C+. For full context I agreed with the list of TJ being an A, Dupree being a B+, and Burns being a D. I would probably have said similar things about Dupree after year 3, so I am hoping Edmunds takes another jump in year 4. But being fairly average as a first rounder in a defense filled with good players doesn't allow me to increase that grade yet. There's way tpo many comparable players to him taken far later in the draft to justify a higher grade than mediocre. The best news is though, he is still one of the younger guys at the position - so theoretically, theres still plenty of room to grow, like last year showed. Edited April 19, 2021 by Dcash4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben07MVP Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, MOSteelers56 said: I agree with the entire sentiment of your post. I just quoted this section because I wanted to discuss it. I agree with this take. He's improved every year he's been in the league and I wouldn't say it's ridiculous to think he'll be one of the better SS in the league when his rookie deal expires. I would also add, a big factor in the Edmunds hate is his complete absence of splash plays/turnovers, especially playing on a defense that has so many of them. It’s kind of crazy the guy still has not forced a fumble his entire career. If he starts getting 2-3+ INTs per year with some forced fumbles sprinkled in, the whole perception on him would change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcash4 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, bigben07MVP said: I would also add, a big factor in the Edmunds hate is his complete absence of splash plays/turnovers, especially playing on a defense that has so many of them. It’s kind of crazy the guy still has not forced a fumble his entire career. If he starts getting 2-3+ INTs per year with some forced fumbles sprinkled in, the whole perception on him would change. For sure, which is what I think makes him such a hard player to really get a read on. I think he is good at what he does as a run stopper, but that's also the part of his game I think is most replaceable from player to player. War got me interested in where he might land in a top Strong Safety competition, but I am having a hard time coming up with an actual answer of if I believe he is better or not than players. Like just in our division, is he better than Chuck Clark, Vonn Bell, or Ronnie Harrison? I'm not sure I can answer that because the way I do comparisons is replacing the player in the same system. I don't know if we are discernably better or worse subbing those guys in for Edmunds. I actually think its kinda funny...Im not a PFF grading guy, but was just curious to see. Their grades are 70.9, 71.5, 68.8, 74.7. So yeah, that didn't help....they all feel like they would be the same to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben07MVP Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 (edited) The most important factor to consider when evaluating Edmonds is how well does he compliment Minkah? It’s a similar situation to finding Ryan Clark who was a perfect fit next to Troy P and allowed Troy to freelance and be himself. Would we be better suited to find a 2nd safety who has more versatility to play deep safety as well as cover underneath/stop the run? In theory that may allow us to “unlock” Minkah and have him be less of a strict center-field type safety. Edited April 19, 2021 by bigben07MVP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSteelers56 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 50 minutes ago, bigben07MVP said: The most important factor to consider when evaluating Edmonds is how well does he compliment Minkah? It’s a similar situation to finding Ryan Clark who was a perfect fit next to Troy P and allowed Troy to freelance and be himself. Would we be better suited to find a 2nd safety who has more versatility to play deep safety as well as cover underneath/stop the run? In theory that may allow us to “unlock” Minkah and have him be less of a strict center-field type safety. I believe we will see Edmunds step into this role next season. I don't see why he won't have another year of improvement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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warfelg Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 Only this team could target a RT in the 1st. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DR43 Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 In the oft chance one of the top five QBs fall to us in the first round, would anyone be ok if it is Mac Jones or Trey Lance or is it Justin Fields or bust? I obviously wont even include the top two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben07MVP Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, DR43 said: In the oft chance one of the top five QBs fall to us in the first round, would anyone be ok if it is Mac Jones or Trey Lance or is it Justin Fields or bust? I obviously wont even include the top two. Trade up = Fields Stay Put and take if he falls = Lance Pass = Jones Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben07MVP Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 1 hour ago, August4th said: I’m not sure if I buy this. They did not attend Jenkin’s pro day and they do not typically take medical risks like Dickerson in the 1st, although I see a higher chance at Dickerson than Jenkins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFF Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 I’d be very surprised at Jenkins even though some of the bigger mock draft guys were putting him in there at 24 at times recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 The more the day passed the more I remember that random people like to pass themselves off as insiders of the off chance they are right they can pound their chest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigben07MVP Posted April 19, 2021 Share Posted April 19, 2021 31 minutes ago, warfelg said: The more the day passed the more I remember that random people like to pass themselves off as insiders of the off chance they are right they can pound their chest. Daniel Jeremiah, Peter King, and Benjamin Albright are the only “insiders” who carry any weight with me personally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warfelg Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, bigben07MVP said: Daniel Jeremiah, Peter King, and Benjamin Albright are the only “insiders” who carry any weight with me personally. Pass on Peter King. Can't stand the guy with his random moral compass and also for the crap he pulled with Troy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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