Uffdaswede Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Uffdaswede said: Yes. Bobby might be a great Packer, but he has an agent. The agent has a job, and that job is to look out for the financial interest of his client. Game and season proven tight ends are highly regarded offensive weapons. (Just when you plan on using that late second round pick on a tight end in a deep draft, Richard Rodgers is the last one left.) People will pay for what Tonyan has been showing on the field. There will be no home town discount here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 13 minutes ago, Uffdaswede said: Yes. Bobby might be a great Packer, but he has an agent. The agent has a job, and that job is to look out for the financial interest of his client. It seems that tight ends are always highly regarded offensive weapons. (Just when you plan on using that late second round pick on a tight end in a deep draft, Richard Rodgers is the last one left.) People will pay for what Tonyan has been showing on the field. There will be no home town discount here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chili Posted January 14, 2021 Share Posted January 14, 2021 (edited) INJECT THIS INTO MY VEINS!! Edited January 14, 2021 by Chili 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted January 14, 2021 Author Share Posted January 14, 2021 And here I thought someone in the first page would see the "specialness" of the title of this thread.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sgtcheezwiz Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 12 hours ago, Packerraymond said: https://www.theringer.com/platform/amp/nfl/2021/1/14/22229218/davante-adams-green-bay-packers#click=https://t.co/B6CLUU3en8 Here's another well written, heartfelt article. Easy team to root for. This was a great read as well and it's great that some of what was shared about Tae's mentality in this article was also shared by Bobby. I hadn't realized until the Titans game, that Tae is a perfectionist like Rodgers - it's a scary combo for other teams. They both hold themselves to the highest standards and I'd be willing to bet that Rodgers beats himself up over his mistakes much like that piece describes Tae doing. We are blessed as fans to see these two working together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgwingman Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 Can someone walk me through Tonyan's options after this season? I know he's a restricted free agent, but I'm not always sure how that affects his decisions or the packers decisions. I assume the options look something like: 1) Sign a long term deal with the Packers. Packers would do this for some sort of discount 2) Slap a tender on him. If another team slaps a better offer on him, we have the right to counter. If he leaves the Packers, we'd get a pick from the new team based on the size of the offer. Are deals like this only for a year? Do players have any options in deal like this? I'd figure they'd want a deal longer than a year. 3) Something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 18 minutes ago, pgwingman said: Can someone walk me through Tonyan's options after this season? I know he's a restricted free agent, but I'm not always sure how that affects his decisions or the packers decisions. I assume the options look something like: 1) Sign a long term deal with the Packers. Packers would do this for some sort of discount Yes. GB and Tonyan could agree to a long term contract 18 minutes ago, pgwingman said: 2) Slap a tender on him. If another team slaps a better offer on him, we have the right to counter. If he leaves the Packers, we'd get a pick from the new team based on the size of the offer. Not quite. RFA tags are as follows 1st round 2nd round original drafted round no pick Each are with GB having the right to match.. Tongan was undrafted, so the 1st or 2nd round tag makes the most sense. I would guess 2nd round ...about $3.4M for 1 year. 18 minutes ago, pgwingman said: Are deals like this only for a year? Do players have any options in deal like this? I'd figure they'd want a deal longer than a year. The RFA tag is 1 year. Other teams can offer any length and structure they want and GB has the right to match or take the draft pick if not. 18 minutes ago, pgwingman said: 3) Something else? No tag, he becomes a UFA. Similar to Linsley or King Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pgwingman Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, squire12 said: Yes. GB and Tonyan could agree to a long term contract Not quite. RFA tags are as follows 1st round 2nd round original drafted round no pick Each are with GB having the right to match.. Tongan was undrafted, so the 1st or 2nd round tag makes the most sense. I would guess 2nd round ...about $3.4M for 1 year. The RFA tag is 1 year. Other teams can offer any length and structure they want and GB has the right to match or take the draft pick if not. No tag, he becomes a UFA. Similar to Linsley or King Thanks, but a few follow up questions 1) GB puts the 2nd round tender on him for $3.4M, could another team offer him a 4 year deal for $40 million, just to make it an outrageous number? They'd be offering a second round pick and a huge offer in that case, right? I guess I'm struggling to understand what the "restricted" part of restricted free agency is. I'm assuming the system is designed so the original team gets a discount on a UDFA they developed, Tonyan gets at least a small payday before hitting regular free agency, and opposing teams can still poach away your talent, but only if they're willing to pay a premium? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, pgwingman said: Thanks, but a few follow up questions 1) GB puts the 2nd round tender on him for $3.4M, could another team offer him a 4 year deal for $40 million, just to make it an outrageous number? They'd be offering a second round pick and a huge offer in that case, right? I guess I'm struggling to understand what the "restricted" part of restricted free agency is. I'm assuming the system is designed so the original team gets a discount on a UDFA they developed, Tonyan gets at least a small payday before hitting regular free agency, and opposing teams can still poach away your talent, but only if they're willing to pay a premium? Yes, if the Bears wanted Tonyan, they could offer that 4/40 contract. However if the Packers didn't want to pay Tonyan 4/40, the Bears would be stuck with that 4/40 contract. Plus the Bears would have to give up the tendered draft pick. Basically no 1st/2nd round tendered player movers because the team would have to value the player that draft pick more than the agreed upon contract. The second round tender on Tonyan keeps him here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 1 hour ago, pgwingman said: Thanks, but a few follow up questions 1) GB puts the 2nd round tender on him for $3.4M, could another team offer him a 4 year deal for $40 million, just to make it an outrageous number? They'd be offering a second round pick and a huge offer in that case, right? I guess I'm struggling to understand what the "restricted" part of restricted free agency is. I'm assuming the system is designed so the original team gets a discount on a UDFA they developed, Tonyan gets at least a small payday before hitting regular free agency, and opposing teams can still poach away your talent, but only if they're willing to pay a premium? What AG20 says. GB did this with the CB Fuller from Chicago a few years ago. 7 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Yes, if the Bears wanted Tonyan, they could offer that 4/40 contract. However if the Packers didn't want to pay Tonyan 4/40, the Bears would be stuck with that 4/40 contract. Plus the Bears would have to give up the tendered draft pick. Basically no 1st/2nd round tendered player movers because the team would have to value the player that draft pick more than the agreed upon contract. The second round tender on Tonyan keeps him here. This. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refugee Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 47 minutes ago, squire12 said: What AG20 says. GB did this with the CB Fuller from Chicago a few years ago. This. Was going to mention the Fuller deal. We set up a workable contract for a starting corner, basically doing the Bears’ FO homework for them and they chose to sign. One part of the deal, was a backloading it a few years and they will have to decide if he’s worth paying 20mil next season along with other big contracts. Fuller is solid but not a star and players always look better playing on a strong unit. That D is bound to lose some pieces next year as they search for a new DC. As far as Tonyan, I feel like you’ve got to pay him. He’s done everything asked of him on a bargain contract. He won’t get superstar money but he has value on the open market. 2nd round tender seems like the the way it will go, I have no idea about the money/length of the deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 3 hours ago, pgwingman said: Can someone walk me through Tonyan's options after this season? I know he's a restricted free agent, but I'm not always sure how that affects his decisions or the packers decisions. I assume the options look something like: 1) Sign a long term deal with the Packers. Packers would do this for some sort of discount 2) Slap a tender on him. If another team slaps a better offer on him, we have the right to counter. If he leaves the Packers, we'd get a pick from the new team based on the size of the offer. Are deals like this only for a year? Do players have any options in deal like this? I'd figure they'd want a deal longer than a year. 3) Something else? That's really the only options. They either slap a tender on him (RFA) or they don't (UFA). And they can extend him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 2 hours ago, pgwingman said: Thanks, but a few follow up questions 1) GB puts the 2nd round tender on him for $3.4M, could another team offer him a 4 year deal for $40 million, just to make it an outrageous number? They'd be offering a second round pick and a huge offer in that case, right? I guess I'm struggling to understand what the "restricted" part of restricted free agency is. I'm assuming the system is designed so the original team gets a discount on a UDFA they developed, Tonyan gets at least a small payday before hitting regular free agency, and opposing teams can still poach away your talent, but only if they're willing to pay a premium? Yes. They could structure it in whatever way they wanted to. They got rid of the poison pill (see Steve Hutchinson years ago), so you have to make "legal" contracts. Basically, the only difference between UFA and RFA is that teams of the FA have the right to match the new contract by another team so long as they tender him a tender. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted January 15, 2021 Share Posted January 15, 2021 5 minutes ago, Refugee said: As far as Tonyan, I feel like you’ve got to pay him. He’s done everything asked of him on a bargain contract. He won’t get superstar money but he has value on the open market. 2nd round tender seems like the the way it will go, I have no idea about the money/length of the deal. The SRP tender is the way I'd approach it. It's not so "hefty" of a price tag that if someone was willing to pay top dollar for him that they'd "hurt" by giving up their SRP, but not enough to get any team to sign him to an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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