GSUeagles14 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: For the 1000000 time, it's not the hit, everything was textbook, it's driving him into the ground that you could certainly make a claim Barr does. He's not traveling the same course as Rodgers, he could've wrapped up and rolled over the top of him easily from the angle he came from, but he held on and drove him into the ground. That's 480 pounds landing on one shoulder, thats a broken collarbone, shoulder dislocation or AC joint sprain at an extemely high percentage of occurences. Unfortunately it's part of the game, but the NFL wants to protect QBs from it because they need talent there to make their product watchable, that's why the rule exists to help protect them from it. it wasnt really driving him into the ground though. You could make the case that he made sure he fell on top of him, although thats by no means a definite, but drving him into the ground is separate from that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 15 minutes ago, wcblack34 said: Not illegal. Not dirty. Not unnecessary. All part of the game. If it had happened to Brian Hoyer, everyone here shrugs and moves on. It is certainly arguable that it was both illegal and unnecessary. I know @vike daddy was arguing before that McCarthy was silent on this (likely because he hadn't even seen the play yet) but MM came out strongly against it feeling it was both illegal and unnecessary. So have many impartial fans. The ironic thing is, if anything, this will result in even more protection for QBs (making some like you even more mad) if the infractions as currently written aren't enforced. Get ready to see rules like "A QB cannot be struck after the ball is out of his hand" in a 5 and 15yd variety like roughing the punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 It's not illegal but it seemed unnecessary. I guess "it's football", but it's a real shame to see Rodgers out for the year. To me, the most watchable, exciting quarterback in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles23 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 This "illegal" hit happens pretty much every single Sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 11 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: It's not illegal but it seemed unnecessary. I guess "it's football", but it's a real shame to see Rodgers out for the year. To me, the most watchable, exciting quarterback in the game. by definition if it was unnecessary it is illegal. That's literally how the rule is written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Mossburg said: Hopefully Hundley is a legend so we get Rodgers longer than we had Favre. Edit: nevermind. Not even gonna rip on Hundley. I'll just let his play speak for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 12 minutes ago, Eagles23 said: This "illegal" hit happens pretty much every single Sunday yes, many penalties occur every single Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSUeagles14 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 17 minutes ago, incognito_man said: by definition if it was unnecessary it is illegal. That's literally how the rule is written. what specific rule are you talking about? not unnecessary roughness, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, GSUeagles14 said: what specific rule are you talking about? not unnecessary roughness, right? Quote When tackling a passer who is in a virtually defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 When tackling a passer who is in a virtually defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. the operative word is AND. to be in defiance of the rule the defensive player must throw the passer to the ground in a violent or unnecessary fashion AND land on him with all or most of his weight. Barr did not throw Rodgers to the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 29 minutes ago, incognito_man said: by definition if it was unnecessary it is illegal. That's literally how the rule is written. On second thought, when I saw the LAND on top of part, yeah it seems illegal. The only possible outcome of hits like that are qb inuries. Especially when you're a 240 pound linebacker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, vike daddy said: When tackling a passer who is in a virtually defenseless posture (e.g., during or just after throwing a pass), a defensive player must not unnecessarily or violently throw him down and land on top of him with all or most of the defender's weight. the operative word is AND. to be in defiance of the rule the defensive player must throw the passer to the ground in a violent or unnecessary fashion AND land on him with all or most of his weight. Barr did not throw Rodgers to the ground. that's your interpretation. many disagree that the hit and plant wasn't unavoidable. It was, then (by definition), unnecessary. It was a very intentional move, and like you have seen from many fans in this thread, arguably unnecessary. The landing of his full body weight on Rodgers was clearly intentional and also completely unnecessary. It's why he got injured for cripes sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 McCarthy was downright pissed in his presser. Called it both illegal and completely unnecessary. Said there was no reason Barr needed to "pin him into the ground like that." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incarcerated_Scarface Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Give it up guys, lines are drawn and it doesn't look like you'll convince each other. Let it go, we can all agree it's a shame Rodgers season is over. I hate how topics here like this turn into huge pissing matches all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, MrOaktown_56 said: On second thought, when I saw the LAND on top of part, yeah it seems illegal. The only possible outcome of hits like that are qb inuries. Especially when you're a 240 pound linebacker. oh my goodness, someone who understands reality. very refreshing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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