cannondale Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Herman brought up an interesting point. Cutting Preston Smith and Dean Lowry could have gotten you Kyle Fuller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 minute ago, cannondale said: Herman brought up an interesting point. Cutting Preston Smith and Dean Lowry could have gotten you Kyle Fuller Except it's not a good point. Kyle Fuller could've gotten more money but he specifically chose to go to Denver to play in Fangio's defense for 1 year to raise his stock and cash in next year. Fuller wasn't coming to GB for the deal he signed with Denver. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Mr Anonymous said: Except it's not a good point. Kyle Fuller could've gotten more money but he specifically chose to go to Denver to play in Fangio's defense for 1 year to raise his stock and cash in next year. Fuller wasn't coming to GB for the deal he signed with Denver. Maybe, maybe not. But there were others of his caliber out there that were "too expensive." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 21 minutes ago, packfanfb said: The Packers could have cut Josh Jackson (who is so bad he wasn't even active down the stretch last year) and Oren Burks (who's basically worthless) and saved just over $2.2m. In other words, the Packers basically could have bought a proven DB like Justin Coleman or Desmond King (who can also return punts) for the price of simply dropping 2 players who are dead weight on the roster. Smh. And then you have to account for the TWO players that are taking their spots as #50 and #51 for 660k apiece. So you're $2.2M quickly dwindles down to 880k savings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, cannondale said: Herman brought up an interesting point. Cutting Preston Smith and Dean Lowry could have gotten you Kyle Fuller And then you're replacing ~600 snaps on the DL and ~800 snaps at EDGE. Let me ask you this, do you think that finding a rookie EDGE/DL or CB to play at a high level is going to be harder to find? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 How does cutting P-Smith help GB get Kyle Fuller in a 1YR/9.5M deal? Didn't GB already recover most of P-Smith's 2021 cap number with the restructure? I thought his cap hit if we cut him was 8M. After the restructure it's 8.75M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Mazrimiv said: How does cutting P-Smith help GB get Kyle Fuller in a 1YR/9.5M deal? Didn't GB already recover most of P-Smith's 2021 cap number with the restructure? I thought his cap hit if we cut him was 8M. After the restructure it's 8.75M. I think it was referring to the pre-restructure. We saved ~$8M by releasing him, and then add Dean Lowry's $3M and that would give the Packers ~$11M to spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 33 minutes ago, packfanfb said: The Packers could have cut Josh Jackson (who is so bad he wasn't even active down the stretch last year) and Oren Burks (who's basically worthless) and saved just over $2.2m. In other words, the Packers basically could have bought a proven DB like Justin Coleman or Desmond King (who can also return punts) for the price of simply dropping 2 players who are dead weight on the roster. Smh. You could say this about literally any team in the NFL, stop. "Oh you could cut these two underperforming guys and signed so and so." If you want to talk about how we haven't restructured Rodgers or extended Adams, I'm all ears. The above is just dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, CWood21 said: And then you're replacing ~600 snaps on the DL and ~800 snaps at EDGE. Let me ask you this, do you think that finding a rookie EDGE/DL or CB to play at a high level is going to be harder to find? They drafted Gary and are doing everything they can not to play him. IF you have to roll with Smith and Gary and give breather snaps to Garvin and whoever else in order to have a competent CB tandem. I can live with that. It's the same with Dillon and Jones. No matter how good a deal the Jones contract is, money is money and it's starting to hinder some other premium spots on the roster. Yes there is still a bit of time to get some guys, but I still contend there are some roster building issues going on And I am ****ty at the cap stuff so I rely on others for that info Edited March 21, 2021 by cannondale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 19 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: Except it's not a good point. Kyle Fuller could've gotten more money but he specifically chose to go to Denver to play in Fangio's defense for 1 year to raise his stock and cash in next year. Fuller wasn't coming to GB for the deal he signed with Denver. We're playing Fangio's defense. That was the whole point of bringing in Barry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 If GB already recovered 7.25M of the potential 8M for P-Smith on the 2021 cap, I am not sure how Herman ever had an interesting point. GB already had the money from P-Smith. It did not get them Kyle Fuller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 Just now, Packerraymond said: You could say this about literally any team in the NFL, stop. "Oh you could cut these two underperforming guys and signed so and so." If you want to talk about how we haven't restructured Rodgers or extended Adams, I'm all ears. The above is just dumb. But why are Jackson and Burks on the roster, being paid $2m and $1m respectively... That's what's dumb, especially in a year where we are literally restructuring roster bonuses to save a measly $500k on the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, CWood21 said: And then you have to account for the TWO players that are taking their spots as #50 and #51 for 660k apiece. So you're $2.2M quickly dwindles down to 880k savings... Well one of the players taking a spot is the guy you just signed with their money. And that guy is a much better player. I don't know why Jackson and Burks are still on the team....REGARDLESS of whether we add anyone else. Those 2 are dead sticks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, cannondale said: They drafted Gary and are doing everything they can not to play him. IF you have to roll with Smith and Gary and give breather snaps to Garvin and whoever else in order to have a competent CB tandem. I can live with that. It's the same with Dillon and Jones. No matter how good a deal the Jones contract is, money is money and it's starting to hinder some other premium spots on the roster. Yes there is still a bit of time to get some guys, but I still contend there are some roster building issues going on Except the fact that the Packers aren't keeping Gary off the field. He was on the field for nearly double the amount of snaps as his rookie year. Your top 2 EDGE play ~60% of the defensive snaps, and EDGE3 play ~40% of the defensive snaps unless you have a player (i.e. prime Von Miller) playing 90%+ of the defensive snaps. Preston Smith played nearly 80% of the snaps, and Za'Darius Smith played nearly 85% of the defensive snaps which means a chunk of those snaps are coming from Z lined up on the DL. I'd imagine we'll see an uptick in Gary's snaps this year and play ~60% of the snaps, while Preston Smith will see a decrease in snaps. But you're getting back to the point at hand, do you not see a drastic drop off from Preston Smith to Jonathan Garvin or Randy Ramsey? Those two didn't play because they weren't very good. You hope they make a Y2 jump, but expecting them to come in and not be liabilities is a huge jump IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 21, 2021 Share Posted March 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, packfanfb said: But why are Jackson and Burks on the roster, being paid $2m and $1m respectively... That's what's dumb, especially in a year where we are literally restructuring roster bonuses to save a measly $500k on the cap. Because the amount of savings is minimal at best. You don't cut camp bodies for minimal savings. There's a reason why you usually see rookie contracts being finished unless they're squeezed out because of cap numbers or other off-the-field issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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