SimonGruber Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Bitty 2.0 said: No He had a genetically deformed foot that's why all the foot issues. He couldn't wear his special made cleats because the NFL had a licensing agreement with Nike. Was this previously known during the medicals pre draft all that stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, SimonGruber said: Was this previously known during the medicals pre draft all that stuff I don't know I found out at the end of this career Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 37 minutes ago, Bitty 2.0 said: No He had a genetically deformed foot that's why all the foot issues. He couldn't wear his special made cleats because the NFL had a licensing agreement with Nike. I did not know about the league not allowing him to wear special cleats. That seems odd that they would not make a medical exception for him. I want to see a picture of his foot now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitty 2.0 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: I did not know about the league not allowing him to wear special cleats. That seems odd that they would not make a medical exception for him. I want to see a picture of his foot now. https://www.espn.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2972064 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Bitty 2.0 said: https://www.espn.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2972064 I wonder if that played a part in his lack of lateral agility. I wonder imagine it is hard to cut with your toes throwing up gang signs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonGruber Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 59 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: I wonder if that played a part in his lack of lateral agility. I wonder imagine it is hard to cut with your toes throwing up gang signs. Hindsight should of been a red flag on even taking him no ? . Looking back at 08 it was a rough draft anyways for the most part directly after the Raiders pick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted August 9, 2021 Share Posted August 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, SimonGruber said: Hindsight should of been a red flag on even taking him no ? . Looking back at 08 it was a rough draft anyways for the most part directly after the Raiders pick I can not remember if it is this thread or not but I went over how the team during this time period did not do a good job of researching the players it was going to sign or draft. They missed some big red flags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) friendly reminder Edited September 20, 2021 by Jeremy408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I was told by a lot of people that Hurst > Thomas…… I feel like I was lied to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, agarcia34 said: I was told by a lot of people that Hurst > Thomas…… I feel like I was lied to What got me personally it was the report that the raiders supposedly Thomas was too small to play defensive tackle before he ever even played in pads. But hey that's a Vic tafur for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Well, he’s already had more sacks than Hurst and Collins did last year lol smh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: What got me personally it was the report that the raiders supposedly Thomas was too small to play defensive tackle before he ever even played in pads. But hey that's a Vic tafur for you Vic is full of **** IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Raider Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, Jeremy408 said: friendly reminder How big would it be for this team if Thomas can be even remotely close to how good he was yesterday on a regular basis. Man it would be nice to have success with a former high pick cast off again. He definitely has all the tools, and while I won't make too big of a deal about it until he starts putting some solid games together consistently, regardless of how you spin it it's an encouraging sign to see the guy play better yesterday than he did in any one game in SF. If he can be a guy that can do that even somewhat consistently when given opportunities because of all the attention Yannick and Crosby command this defense overall may end up being as good as it has been all season long. Thomas was super disruptive yesterday. And with him it's like he's playing a role who cares what his overall PFF grade is each week, just tell me his pass rushing grade. Because he isn't in there to be a run stuffing force (the reason the whole he's too small to play 3T that Vic brought up and was made a big deal over). It's like he clearly was signed for an amount of money, to be a potential reclamation project at a spot that we haven't had any success in since the days of Seymour and Tommy Kelly. And that isn't an elite run stuffing 3T. It was to get any semblance of a pass rush from the defensive interior. Even if Thomas is too small to play 3T on obvious running downs (I'm not sure I agree anyway but for arguments sake) it's like who cares? We can throw Jefferson or Philon out there. Even though Vic made the claim the Raiders were worried about Thomas being too small, yet Jefferson is listed as 6'4" 291, Philon is listed as 6'1" 286, and Thomas is listed as 6'3" 295. So you would think the logical conclusion would be that literally every single guy brought in by this coaching staff at DT is in the 6'1" to 6'4" 285-300 pound range (including McCoy and Square) outside of Hankins who was already here and exclusively plays NT, is an indication that this current staff wants smaller, quicker DT that can push and collapse the pocket, even if it comes at the expense of their ability to be dominant against the run or taking on double teams. Instead Vic singled out Thomas for whatever reason, and perhaps there really were rumblings because Thomas despite being a similar size didn't look as strong or whatever in camp, but I don't really buy it. I don't think Thomas has ever been looked at as a guy that lacked strength or athleticism, since entering the NFL it's been about his lack of bend and ability to be athletic enough to pressure the QB around the edge. And I don't understand why a defensive staff that just came in this year would single out a guy that was paid relative peanuts in the grand scheme, was a former top 5 pick that is only 26 years old, at a position with probably the biggest need for guys to step up and surprise. Especially at that time, the staff is not only questioning what Thomas is capable of and if he is big enough to play the position, FOUR DAYS INTO TRAINING CAMP? Before a single preseason game has been played? Hell before pads had even came on? I don't like to take shots at people that are just trying to do their job, but in that situation it seemed like a lot of Vic trying to connect the dots himself, and perhaps making a lot of "educated" deductions based on things being said like the staff wanting to bring in another guy/body at DT, or keeping their eyes peeled for another DT that could come in and perhaps be a great anchor against the run for obvious running downs (since Jefferson and Philon are also on the smaller side like Thomas) and instead he singles out Thomas because a lot was made about the guaranteed money he was given. Made for a story that sounded plausible and would generate buzz because of Thomas being a former top 5 pick and how desperately the Raiders were in need of someone to produce at 3T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I didn’t read that article that Vic wrote but maybe it was they thought he was to small to be a everydown DT where he plays 60 plus snaps. Which is valid but as a situational player he has shown to very well hold his own there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Geezy said: Well, he’s already had more sacks than Hurst and Collins did last year lol smh I remember being told I was delusional for thinking that Solomon Thomas could have his best year simply because he's playing the position that he played in college the guy and picked number three overall. And I remember saying also that he doesn't need to be the superstar defense of tackle and save the 3T position because he's part of a rotation. Which means that realistically if he doesn't get another sack he's basically contributed to the rotation. Put on the flipside say he ends up getting seven or eight sacks this year somehow then the reality is we only paid him $5 million. Then I remember being told that if the Niners or former DC Greg Selah who coached him didn't want him why would should we think that we should do any better to which I replied that 1. Selah isn't some all world defensive coordinator(remember he's actually from Gus Bradley's coaching tree and not the other way around) 2. Because Selah and the Niners were the ones who used him wrong in the first place and there was plausible reason to sign him on the prospects that if he was used at his college position that made him one of the best defense of players coming out in the draft that year he could help us out in a rotational capacity. I think I was called a homer for that or something? lol I want thing I want to make sure that I understood correctly: I'm not saying that Solomon Thomas is going to the pro bowl or is going to save our defense of tackle position. I'm saying it makes sense to get somebody and play them at their natural position. It makes sense to bring in somebody that was the former number three overall pick and make him part of a rotation of high upside players for cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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