FinSting Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 hour ago, ttitansfan4life said: Not a probowler though Hey Baldinger, there IS a stat for that, it's "Titans 20, Niners 17." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 29 minutes ago, Forge said: He is what he is, just like a lot of those QBs are. I just hate that entire tier of guys. QB purgatory is a bad place to be 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 On 12/24/2021 at 10:03 AM, ET80 said: Yeah, this one seems like it would be a very interesting read from 1 to 32. Talent by and large is subjective, so would like to see the method of data collection on this one... There isn't much to the method. Pick a rating service for objectivity and add up the ratings of the team's starters. More elaborate versions weight the positions. There are a number of such "geek blogs" focusing on fantasy football, few of whom are big on self-promotion. I don't know how many people here would be interested--this is really nerdy stuff--but anyone who would like to discreetly view one of the less tedious ones can message me for a link. 1 to 32? No problem (other than alignment; I couldn't get the Code function to work). The one below uses you-know-who for its aggregated data (but includes DVOAs and FPPGs in data lines), listed here with Overall, Offense, and Defense totals for each team. This was last updated after Week #13. Among other uses, I like to compare these to the DVOAs to see which teams are over- and under-performing. Wk13 Ov Of Df S.F. 1 1 1 N.E. 2 3 3 T.B. 3 2 9 Dall 4 1 21 N.O. 5 21 1 Rams 6 5 11 Indi 7 8 7 G.B. 8 7 14 K.C. 9 11 12 Clev 10 19 4 Phil 11 10 13 Cinc 12 9 17 Wash 13 6 24 Buff 14 22 6 Ariz 15 13 15 Tenn 16 27 5 LACh 17 16 18 Balt 18 14 26 Minn 19 17 20 Rdrs 20 15 25 Denv 21 12 28 Pitt 22 23 22 Crla 23 31 10 Seat 24 25 19 NYGs 25 29 16 Jkvl 26 20 29 Atla 27 28 27 Chic 28 18 31 Hous 29 32 8 Jets 30 24 30 Miam 31 30 23 Detr 32 26 32 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 24 minutes ago, Dr A W Niloc said: There isn't much to the method. Pick a rating service for objectivity and add up the ratings of the team's starters. More elaborate versions weight the positions. There are a number of such "geek blogs" focusing on fantasy football, few of whom are big on self-promotion. I don't know how many people here would be interested--this is really nerdy stuff--but anyone who would like to discreetly view one of the less tedious ones can message me for a link. 1 to 32? No problem (other than alignment; I couldn't get the Code function to work). The one below uses you-know-who for its aggregated data (but includes DVOAs and FPPGs in data lines), listed here with Overall, Offense, and Defense totals for each team. This was last updated after Week #13. Among other uses, I like to compare these to the DVOAs to see which teams are over- and under-performing. Wk13 Ov Of Df S.F. 1 1 1 N.E. 2 3 3 T.B. 3 2 9 Dall 4 1 21 N.O. 5 21 1 Rams 6 5 11 Indi 7 8 7 G.B. 8 7 14 K.C. 9 11 12 Clev 10 19 4 Phil 11 10 13 Cinc 12 9 17 Wash 13 6 24 Buff 14 22 6 Ariz 15 13 15 Tenn 16 27 5 LACh 17 16 18 Balt 18 14 26 Minn 19 17 20 Rdrs 20 15 25 Denv 21 12 28 Pitt 22 23 22 Crla 23 31 10 Seat 24 25 19 NYGs 25 29 16 Jkvl 26 20 29 Atla 27 28 27 Chic 28 18 31 Hous 29 32 8 Jets 30 24 30 Miam 31 30 23 Detr 32 26 32 Yeah, uh... something's not right with this system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Hope- Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 watching shanahan and todd downing call offenses back and forth last night, the contrast was immense. downing called a brutal game and was dragged to victory by AJ brown, while shanahan was getting guys wide open and was sunk by garoppolo. it's very obvious that that magic shanny pulled with matt ryan in ATL is still there, waiting to be unleashed with the right QB (especially with guys like deebo, aiyuk, and kittle at the skill positions...whew). it's just as obvious, however, that jimmy g isn't that guy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 14 hours ago, Forge said: Certainly fair to criticize Kyle the team builder, Kyle the talent evaluator and even Kyle the head coach. No. That is what is so fascinating. Those are his strengths. By any objective measure he has collected the most talent in the league, strong on both sides of the ball. As a head coach he deals admirably with the S.F. press, arguably the worst in the NFL. Free agents have no qualms about joining the 49ers. We can and do question Kyle's play calling, especially after last night's fiasco, but his most salient flaw is that he has lost any perspective at the QB position (what the geeks call "amaurosis quarterbacchus") since arriving in San Francisco. Exhibit A: Jimmy Garoppolo. Exhibit B: Trey Lance (over Mac Jones, no less). There may be good news on the horizon for 49er fans. If the mock drafts we are seeing now are even remotely accurate Shanahan might get unspeakably lucky in the second round of the 2022 draft. You heard it here first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 I love that this dude can say that shanny just had the most disastrous draft in NFL history and then two posts later say that shanny's team building is a strength 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Forge said: I love that this dude can say that shanny just had the most disastrous draft in NFL history and then two posts later say that shanny's team building is a strength I love the fact that both seemingly conflicting facts are true. Paradoxes are fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Just now, Dr A W Niloc said: I love the fact that both seemingly conflicting facts are true. Paradoxes are fun. No, they are your opinion...which most decidedly aren't facts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Forge said: No, they are your opinion...which most decidedly aren't facts With which assertion are you disagreeing? That Shanahan is a demonstrably good judge of talent at every other position or that he has a glaring blind spot at QB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 8 minutes ago, Dr A W Niloc said: With which assertion are you disagreeing? That Shanahan is a demonstrably good judge of talent at every other position or that he has a glaring blind spot at QB? There is nothing that supports Shanahan is a particularly good talent evaluator. He's got hits, he's got misses. There's nothing to support the idea that he's anything special in that regard and any opinion on either side of the line is simply that...an opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Apparition said: I posted this as well. Could be fake, could be real (fwiw, it's no longer listed under his like), hilarious either way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Still should have started Lance from jump. I just don't think the team is drastically different in terms of results and at least we could have gotten him through some rookie bumps that we are now going to endure next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, Forge said: I posted this as well. Could be fake, could be real (fwiw, it's no longer listed under his like), hilarious either way real enough to be picked up by SI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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