Utley Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, RavensTillIDie said: In no particular order... LeBron Curry Durant Giannis Davis Cousins Harden Westbrook Kawhi Chris Paul Paul George Draymond Jimmy Butler Wall KAT Embiid Lillard Kyrie Conley DeRozan Blake Klay Love GobertJordan ***Excludes rookies and players who are out for the season Just to bump him out of the top 25, because I could name more, but Oladipo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 minute ago, utley4568 said: Just to bump him out of the top 25, because I could name more, but Oladipo. Booker, Aldridge, Zinger off the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Just now, 11sanchez11 said: Booker, Aldridge off the top McCollum, Beal for two more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensTillIDie Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, utley4568 said: Just to bump him out of the top 25, because I could name more, but Oladipo. Eh, maybe. But if we're talking one seasons worth of production and focusing on this year, you can just as easily bump out guys like Conley, Gobert and Love. And yes, there may even be other guys you could make a legitimate argument for being in the top 25. But the point is you can make just as valid an argument for Jordan, as well. So, regardless of whether you want to bump that number out to the top 30 or 35 for integrity's sake, the underlying point remains that Jordan is still among the best players currently in the league (and thus worthy of commanding a lottery pick, especially one that is outside of the top 10). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 6 minutes ago, RavensTillIDie said: Eh, maybe. But if we're talking one seasons worth of production and focusing on this year, you can just as easily bump out guys like Conley, Gobert and Love. And yes, there may even be other guys you could make a legitimate argument for being in the top 25. But the point is you can make just as valid an argument for Jordan, as well. So, regardless of whether you want to bump that number out to the top 30 or 35 for integrity's sake, the underlying point remains that Jordan is still among the best players currently in the league (and thus worthy of commanding a lottery pick, especially one that is outside of the top 10). Except there is no argument. You're telling me you would take Jordan over any of those guys? I can name more later when I get the chance to sit down and think about this if you'd like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensTillIDie Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 minute ago, utley4568 said: Except there is no argument. You're telling me you would take Jordan over any of those guys? I can name more later when I get the chance to sit down and think about this if you'd like. Omg, I don't give a damn about where he is ranked. You're completely missing the point I was trying to make when evaluating his worth in relation to the Brooklyn pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 This might be a better way of framing it, is Deandre a MAX player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdrawkcab321 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Deadpulse said: This might be a better way of framing it, is Deandre a MAX player? No. Not even close. More like 20-23M per MAYBE. But there’s not a lot of money out there anymore and the need for C is down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensTillIDie Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, Deadpulse said: This might be a better way of framing it, is Deandre a MAX player? Well that's a bit of a loaded question because if he gets traded to Cleveland, they retain his bird rights, and given that he'll have 10+ years of experience that means he'll be eligible for a deal that pays him up to 35% of the cap annually w/ 8% annual raises each year thereafter. So in that sense, he's definitely not worth a max deal. But is he worth what he's currently being paid ~$24M/year? Absolutely. In the hypothetical scenario where the Cavs trade for him, if the trade works and leads to success for the team and LeBron ends up staying next year, Jordan can probably be retained for a similar salary (obviously extrapolated over however many years in the form of an extension). And if it doesn't work and LeBron ends up leaving, assuming Jordan opts out, that's $24M worth of cap spacing coming off the books, which lends itself to a major rebuild. Either way it's a win-win for the Cavs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YogiBiz Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 45 minutes ago, utley4568 said: McCollum, Beal for two more The hate for Porzingis is real Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkness Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Hill starting with Thomas as 6th man would be almost as good as it gets for the PG position on a LeBron team. We’ll see if Lue has the balls to make that change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amac Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Deadpulse said: This might be a better way of framing it, is Deandre a MAX player? In today's NBA I don't think he's worth that cap space. Better to build around perimeter players and unicorn bigs and try to find a Dedmon type on the cheap as a rim protector/ runner. But for certain teams maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, RavensTillIDie said: Omg, I don't give a damn about where he is ranked. You're completely missing the point I was trying to make when evaluating his worth in relation to the Brooklyn pick. Jordan isn't worth a top ten pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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seminoles1 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Darkness said: Hill starting with Thomas as 6th man would be almost as good as it gets for the PG position on a LeBron team. We’ll see if Lue has the balls to make that change It really would be best. They shouldn't feel any loyalty to Thomas since he's a free agent and they probably won't even re-sign him anyways, so making that change would be good for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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