NudeTayne Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Where is the video? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, Yin-Yang said: From walking into the elevator*. I’d say preventing someone from entering a public space would constitute “touching first”. Who Dat gonna Who Dat. Now we're talking "body language" lol. I swear, anything to try and absolve their guy. At ABSOLUTE best, Kamara comes off like a massive entitled tool for thinking he owns public space and can unilaterally force someone to not enter a public elevator while becoming violent when he's not given special deference. And Saints homers will STILL bend over backwards to defend him lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackstar12 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, NudeTayne said: Where is the video? Yeah it's been 3-4 days hopefully they release it before the end of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deadpulse Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 20 minutes ago, Dome said: Of course, we don't know the body language or the exchange that led up to the incident... and there will be mitigating factors to consider as well. Like the fact that the guy had allegedly been harassing/insulting members of Kamara's party that evening. Or the fact that he had already allegedly threatened to assault Kamara before trying to enter the same enclosed space as him and his party. Kamara might not have he right to put hands out to prevent someone from getting any closer just because he didn't want him there. But he might have somewhat of a right to put hands out to prevent someone who has threatened him and harassed his lady-friend, from entering the elevator with them. It will definitely at get a second look, lots of people will get interviewed and re-interviewed I'm sure. didnt the police report say they chased him down? That doesnt jive with the narrative you got here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalamania Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 The lengths people will go to defend people they don't even know but play on their favorite sports team never fails to amaze me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Just now, Deadpulse said: didnt the police report say they chased him down? That doesnt jive with the narrative you got here. no, the police said their video evidence showed that Kamara lunged for him after he slapped his hands away and someone else in his group had thrown a punch. Not a chase. The police said that Kamara claimed he chased the guy down, but they weren't quoting him verbatim, just summarizing his story. I'm not sure how that is coming out two different ways right now, but that's what it is. I'm going to go with what they're claiming they have on video, which is an incident in front of an elevator door, not a chase through a casino. Maybe Kamara saw the guy starting to turn away and threw some punches then, didn't chase him down but wasn't going to let him leave either. maybe went after him for a step or two as he got his footing to turn. that makes the most sense looking at how the police describe the video, for whatever you want to put into that. Kamara is going to have to answer for punches he threw if he wasn't attacked, maybe not depending on how the guy walked/talked towards his party, how he slapped Kamara's hands away or how he reacted to a shove away from an elevator door if he was being threatening. He'll certainly have to account for punches he threw when the guy was knocked down. But if it turns out that this guy had made threats towards Kamara, harassed Kamara's friends, then tried to follow them into the elevator, he will have a lot going in his favor even if he went overboard on the retribution. It will change the perception which is the biggest thing the NFL is worried about. It might be a while before all the facts come out or we see the video, it depends how clear it is and how quickly they can interview everyone involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 12 minutes ago, Scalamania said: The lengths people will go to defend people they don't even know but play on their favorite sports team never fails to amaze me. I've said multiple times that nothing the guy said was worth hitting him over without an imminent threat which there doesn't appear to be, and that kamara should have just walked away. im simply explaining how he and his lawyers and the people with him are likely to push the narrative in an attempt to swing things in Kamaras favor. this isn't me discussing morals, just how all the factors involved in the incident are going to play into what happens to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 37 minutes ago, Dome said: But he might have somewhat of a right to put hands out to prevent someone who has threatened him and harassed his lady-friend, from entering the elevator with them. There is no level of harassment that grants Kamara or any other citizen (aside from a building owner, security guard, LEO, etc.) from determining who is and isn’t allowed in a public elevator. I get where you’re going, logically, but legally there’s nothing there. You wouldn’t say the same about preventing a guy from getting on a train, in a bus, a public park, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Scalamania said: The lengths people will go to defend people they don't even know but play on their favorite sports team never fails to amaze me. Maybe Alvin Kamara was possessed by the spirit of Marie Laveau and a stripper spiked his drink with steroids and testosterone at the club while the ghost of Christmas past reminded him of that time he got jumped at the park while playing with his new rocket ship and told him to "just punch away, you wee little man".... Edited February 8, 2022 by ronjon1990 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalamania Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dome said: I've said multiple times that nothing the guy said was worth hitting him over without an imminent threat which there doesn't appear to be, and that kamara should have just walked away. im simply explaining how he and his lawyers and the people with him are likely to push the narrative in an attempt to swing things in Kamaras favor. this isn't me discussing morals, just how all the factors involved in the incident are going to play into what happens to him. You're here defending him like he's your family member or you're his attorney and you're trying to justify what he did/what happened. It's crazy to me that someone would care this much about someone they don't know but that's me I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Just now, Yin-Yang said: There is no level of harassment that grants Kamara or any other citizen (aside from a building owner, security guard, LEO, etc.) from determining who is and isn’t allowed in a public elevator. I get where you’re going, logically, but legally there’s nothing there. You wouldn’t say the same about preventing a guy from getting on a train, in a bus, a public park, etc. Threats of violence against Kamara would certainly create a grey area if Kamara and his party were trying to leave, and the guy that made the threats was trying to follow them onto the elevator. It's not black and white. You don't have to wait for someone to assault you before using a reasonable amount of force to ensure you are safe. Again, this is just the narrative you can already tell Kamara's team will push. Guy threatens violence, guy tries to invade personal space as Kamara's group leaves, Kamara blocks path to elevator, guy slaps Kamara's hands, guy gets jumped. That's the angle they will push. Nothing will exonerate Kamara completely but there are lots of angles to get leniency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronjon1990 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, Dome said: I've said multiple times that nothing the guy said was worth hitting him over without an imminent threat which there doesn't appear to be, and that kamara should have just walked away. im simply explaining how he and his lawyers and the people with him are likely to push the narrative in an attempt to swing things in Kamaras favor. this isn't me discussing morals, just how all the factors involved in the incident are going to play into what happens to him. You're aware there are limits to this, no? A judge would absolutely castigate an attorney for ever arguing that although his client physically touched someone in an effort to impede their freedom of movement, he didn't "touch him first" when the facts indicate that he indeed did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, Scalamania said: You're here defending him like he's your family member or you're his attorney and you're trying to justify what he did/what happened. It's crazy to me that someone would care this much about someone they don't know but that's me I guess. I'm not defending his actions. I'm explaining how he is going to try to push a narrative to lessen his charges, and he will have a strong case. That's what we are here to discuss right, how this incident might affect Kamara's future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 I don't know the circumstances here, but in my own life looking back, 100% of the altercations I was involved in, alcohol was a major contributor. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 1 minute ago, ronjon1990 said: You're aware there are limits to this, no? A judge would absolutely castigate an attorney for ever arguing that although his client physically touched someone in an effort to impede their freedom of movement, he didn't "touch him first" when the facts indicate that he indeed did. 1 minute ago, Dome said: It's not black and white. You don't have to wait for someone to assault you before using a reasonable amount of force to ensure you are safe. Again, this is just the narrative you can already tell Kamara's team will push. you or your party* is safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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