adamq Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 5 hours ago, BullsandBroncos said: Twitter From anyone reputable? Because I see no reports that indicate they would have included those players on top of the picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoFi Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 17 hours ago, SaveOurSonics said: Someone please get this clown out of our front office. Nothing happens without Carroll's approval. In fact, Carroll has authority over John Schneider. Both of them need to go as far as I'm concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Kmart128 said: Sapp acts like thats some scary offense or something.... most of those receivers has battled injuries. And only reciever with a 1000 yard seasons was Sutton 2 years ago. Seems like a bunch of midpack untapped potential WRs if you ask me. Well, to be fair, WR production is directly influenced by QB play. You think Stefon Diggs is ever breaking 1k yards receiving if he had Drew Lock throwing him the ball and not Josh Allen? The amount of times Jeudy was missed on a easy 10+ yard completion because Broncos QBs cant throw with timing/anticipation is astounding. Edited March 9, 2022 by AkronsWitness 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Kmart128 said: Sapp acts like thats some scary offense or something.... most of those receivers has battled injuries. And only reciever with a 1000 yard seasons was Sutton 2 years ago. Seems like a bunch of midpack untapped potential WRs if you ask me. How are you going to fault WR for not getting 1k yards when they've had garbage at the QB position? Tough to get 1k yards when you have poo throwing you the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Ducks Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 6 hours ago, Kmart128 said: Sapp acts like thats some scary offense or something.... most of those receivers has battled injuries. And only reciever with a 1000 yard seasons was Sutton 2 years ago. Seems like a bunch of midpack untapped potential WRs if you ask me. Lol yeah, that’s a mediocre offense at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSURacerDT55 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Kmart128 said: Sapp acts like thats some scary offense or something.... most of those receivers has battled injuries. And only reciever with a 1000 yard seasons was Sutton 2 years ago. Seems like a bunch of midpack untapped potential WRs if you ask me. Count me as someone who isn't as moved as others, they may struggle. If I'm a team, I'm going right at them and making them prove they are as good as they think they are. Edited March 9, 2022 by MSURacerDT55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) Our Jets new GM Joe Douglas is a genius. He managed to turn Jamal Adams and Sam Darnold into almost better value than what Seattle received for trading away FUTURE HOF RUSSELL WILSON @ ONLY 33 YEARS OLD. That. To me. Is. Mind boggling; NUTS! Edited March 9, 2022 by DefenseWinsChampionships 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art_Vandalay Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Good trade for both teams. Denver could have all-pros at all positions but if they don't have a QB, they're not competing in the AFC for a very long time, let alone their own division. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRealMcCoy Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: Our Jets new GM Joe Douglas is a genius. He managed to turn Jamal Adams and Sam Darnold into almost better value than what Seattle received for trading away FUTURE HOF RUSSELL WILSON @ ONLY 33 YEARS OLD. That. To me. Is. Mind boggling; NUTS! Howie Roseman’s impact on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DefenseWinsChampionships Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, TheRealMcCoy said: Howie Roseman’s impact on him. Nah. Nothing against Howie but it's really the impact of Ozzie Newsome who Joe Douglas came up under in Baltimore (as the Ravens scout for 15 years) throughout 2000-2014. Nonetheless when you dig deeper into Seattle's trade of Russell Wilson you'll quickly realize how they didn't receive the massive haul that they should've. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Broncofan said: FWIW the beat & national level sources only confirm 3 1sts. None cover any extra players on WAS offered. Wouldn’t surprise if there was more added but no confirmation on the exact extras beyond 3 1sts. Still, even with that offer, given that the gap in 2022 was 1.9 vs. 1.11 in a vacuum I think WAS offer is better (I’d always take an extra first over 2 2nds esp if the 2nd pick is 2+ years away - because it’s so likely to be in the 50’s) - but this is where Wilson only accepting to waive his no-trade clause to Denver factors in. In that context it’s more understandable that Denver “only” gave up 2 firsts 2 seconds and 3 guys who are pretty replaceable. Same. Only thing I heard/saw was that Washington offered 3 FRPs and Seattle said no. And they asked if Seattle wanted players, and they never got a counter-offer. I'm not sure Denver's package isn't better then Washington's package is already. #9 > #11 This one isn't debatable. '23 DEN FRP = '23 WAS FRP I think this one probably comes down to who you think is going to be worse in 2023. I'd value them pretty similarly, but I wouldn't argue very hard if you wanted the WAS FRP instead. Noah Fant, #40, and '23 SRP ??? '24 WAS FRP I guess I'm in the boat. Two SRPs a year apart to me is more valuable then a FRP 3 years away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Same. Only thing I heard/saw was that Washington offered 3 FRPs and Seattle said no. And they asked if Seattle wanted players, and they never got a counter-offer. I'm not sure Denver's package isn't better then Washington's package is already. #9 > #11 This one isn't debatable. '23 DEN FRP = '23 WAS FRP I think this one probably comes down to who you think is going to be worse in 2023. I'd value them pretty similarly, but I wouldn't argue very hard if you wanted the WAS FRP instead. Noah Fant, #40, and '23 SRP ??? '24 WAS FRP I guess I'm in the boat. Two SRPs a year apart to me is more valuable then a FRP 3 years away. I would agree in a vacuum - but if you're blowing it all up like SEA is, the higher round pick has more future value and waiting 2 more years isn't as much of a problem if you're a true rebuilder. Getting 2nd round picks now and next year isn't likely helping as much long-term because you're using up those cheap years when the team is likely not even close to contention. For teams that want to return to contention in the next couple of years....I see your view. But for a team starting from scratch, realistically you're 3 years away at best, with 2 lean years. In that scenario, the 3rd year 1st is more valuable IMO. Edited March 9, 2022 by Broncofan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, DefenseWinsChampionships said: Nah. Nothing against Howie but it's really the impact of Ozzie Newsome who Joe Douglas came up under in Baltimore (as the Ravens scout for 15 years) throughout 2000-2014. Nonetheless when you dig deeper into Seattle's trade of Russell Wilson you'll quickly realize how they didn't receive the massive haul that they should've. I think it's actually that Seattle massively overpaid for Jamal Adams (credit to the Jets FO for absolutely fleecing the hell out of Seattle, but also it's just insane giving up that much for a box safety in the first place) vs. they didn't receive enough in return for Wilson. Everyone knew they were getting multiple 1st's for Russell. They took the Broncos' first 2 picks in the next two drafts and then also took 2 very solid players and a future waterboy. That seems like good value. Seattle screwed the pooch MASSIVELY with the Jamal Adams trade, and this trade was them trying to rectify that essentially and get some of their short-term draft capital back. Edited March 9, 2022 by AFlaccoSeagulls 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWinsChampionships Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: I think it's actually that Seattle massively overpaid for Jamal Adams (credit to the Jets FO for absolutely fleecing the hell out of Seattle, but also it's just insane giving up that much for a box safety in the first place) vs. they didn't receive enough in return for Wilson. Everyone knew they were getting multiple 1st's for Russell. They took the Broncos' first 2 picks in the next two drafts and then also took 2 very solid players and a future waterboy. That seems like good value. Seattle screwed the pooch MASSIVELY with the Jamal Adams trade, and this trade was them trying to rectify that essentially and get some of their short-term draft capital back. I honestly believe Jamal Adams is what destroyed the Seahawks and made Russell Wilson want out of Seattle. Because before the trade to Denver? He realized with Jamal Adams massive $72 million contract (making him the highest paid Safety in NFL history) along with having awful draft capital? Russell Wilson knew he had a 0% chance to win. A box Safety destroyed their entire Franchise. Edited March 9, 2022 by DefenseWinsChampionships Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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