Forge Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Just now, squire12 said: I think that is a fair stance. That then leads to a question if Baker is enough of an upgrade on what a team might have currently at QB to get value out of trading for Baker and his $20M 2022 contract? It's only Seattle to me. Technically Carolina has the space as well, but there's something so inherently sad about Carolina having both Baker and Darnold on a fifth year option that I want to act like the possibility doesn't exist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 6 minutes ago, Forge said: It's only Seattle to me. Technically Carolina has the space as well, but there's something so inherently sad about Carolina having both Baker and Darnold on a fifth year option that I want to act like the possibility doesn't exist Does Baker improve Seattle enough to justify the $20M? I just don't see that being enough of a difference maker for that roster. we have seen Baker with a "somewhat" depleted roster while he was in CLE for his first 2+ years. he is not leading a team to the playoffs, so I don't think that does them any good to be picking in the mid teens when you need a franchise QB Trading for a "purgatory QB" with a middling roster just so you can stay in the middling tier of teams while paying said QB $18M in salary just seems like a bad business decision 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 10 hours ago, squire12 said: Does Baker improve Seattle enough to justify the $20M? I just don't see that being enough of a difference maker for that roster. we have seen Baker with a "somewhat" depleted roster while he was in CLE for his first 2+ years. he is not leading a team to the playoffs, so I don't think that does them any good to be picking in the mid teens when you need a franchise QB Trading for a "purgatory QB" with a middling roster just so you can stay in the middling tier of teams while paying said QB $18M in salary just seems like a bad business decision Mayfield has more yards and wins Then Deshaun He also delivered a 500 win percentage in the playoffs with Deshaun at .333. So let me see more wins in the regular season and a higher winning Percentage then Deshaun in the playoffs. I also believe he has a much higher Qb rating in the playoffs then Deshaun while Watson has a better Qb rating in the season. He has no trade value. Because Deshaun plays better against last place teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 1 hour ago, mtmmike said: He also delivered a 500 win percentage in the playoffs with Deshaun at .333. So let me see more wins in the regular season and a higher winning Percentage then Deshaun in the playoffs. I also believe he has a much higher Qb rating in the playoffs then Deshaun while Watson has a better Qb rating in the season. He has no trade value. Because Deshaun plays better against last place teams. I love the energy here (really, I do - keep it up!) but a lot of the playoff data you’re sharing has to do with Deshaun playing more playoff games than Baker. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 40 minutes ago, ET80 said: I love the energy here (really, I do - keep it up!) but a lot of the playoff data you’re sharing has to do with Deshaun playing more playoff games than Baker. So yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 13 hours ago, squire12 said: Does Baker improve Seattle enough to justify the $20M? I just don't see that being enough of a difference maker for that roster. we have seen Baker with a "somewhat" depleted roster while he was in CLE for his first 2+ years. he is not leading a team to the playoffs, so I don't think that does them any good to be picking in the mid teens when you need a franchise QB Trading for a "purgatory QB" with a middling roster just so you can stay in the middling tier of teams while paying said QB $18M in salary just seems like a bad business decision Oh, its definitely not a good business decision, but I honestly have no idea what Seattle is doing. I Don't think it's a rebuild...feels more like they want to half *** it and kind of re-tool? But that's just baseless speculation. Baker is substantially better than Lock, I'll give him that. Ultimately, I think what will happen is that Cleveland just eats a huge chunk of the current contract (say 14 Million) and ends up trading him for a swap of picks to one of those teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 Can you imagine they keep him, Watson is suspended, and he has to start for them next year, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: Can you imagine they keep him, Watson is suspended, and he has to start for them next year, lol. Lol we might have to keep him for a while. He wouldn’t start we’ve got Jacoby Brisset for that now. but I am down for keeping him till a starting QB gets injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, brownie man said: Lol we might have to keep him for a while. He wouldn’t start we’ve got Jacoby Brisset for that now. but I am down for keeping him till a starting QB gets injured. Baker is a much better QB than Brissett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 (edited) 43 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Baker is a much better QB than Brissett. While absolutely true, Baker won't take a single snap as a Brown in 2022, Nor should he!! Browns can hold onto him all they want but I doubt he sets foot in the complex again. I wouldn't, especially if Watson is suspended. Edited March 28, 2022 by Nabbs4u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 5 hours ago, jrry32 said: Baker is a much better QB than Brissett. Unfortunately, he's determined to holdout and refuse to play, and this is going back to before Watson was signed and the Browns were in the "inquiring about Watson" phase. At this point, I think the Browns hold him until post draft when the dust settles on who was drafted by what team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 9 hours ago, NYRaider said: Can you imagine they keep him, Watson is suspended, and he has to start for them next year, lol. While it would be the smart thing for Baker to do--his ego wont allow him. Stay with the Browns for 8 games, play well and regain your value and get traded at the deadline to a team who actually needs you OR get pissy pants and go somewhere to be a backup with injuries being your only path to playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 6 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: While absolutely true, Baker won't take a single snap as a Brown in 2022, Nor should he!! Browns can hold onto him all they want but I doubt he sets foot in the complex again. I wouldn't, especially if Watson is suspended. I would. He had a bad year in 2021 due to his injuries. I'd go out there, prove the Browns wrong, and get paid when I hit FA or am traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 1 minute ago, jrry32 said: I would. He had a bad year in 2021 due to his injuries. I'd go out there, prove the Browns wrong, and get paid when I hit FA or am traded. I think a lot of us in the Browns forum wanted to just roll it back for a 5th year and have closure one way or the other. I think that the mean is closer to 2020 than 2021 for those reasons. I think he's a guy you want throwing 20-25 times a game, heavily off of playaction, in an intermediate to downfield attack, and he's going to be somewhere in the 25-28 TD and ~10 INT guy with limitations against pressure or as a traditional dropback (no playaction) passer. I think he's a 10+ year NFL starter and bridge guy in the "good for now with limitations while we get a future Franchise QB" tier, very similar to Cousins but probably not quite as good. He's kind of short Jay Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 I can only see the Browns signing 2 more players: Clowney and Will Fuller. Once Hoopers cap relief kicks in during June, we can sign our rookies. So thankfully we’re not desperate. So Baker is going to sit tight for awhile. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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