mtmmike Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, iknowcool said: The Panthers have made it blatantly clear they do not like Darnold or view him as a long-term starter. I don't think they are "tanking" either. At least none of their moves this offseason would indicate that is the plan, especially when 2020 served as the most ideal year to tank by far. The biggest reason against trading for Mayfield is having to pay both Darnold and Mayfield $18m. That is a big commitment for two guys that aren't very good. Mayfield has more upside and clearly at this stage is better than Darnold, but there is a very good chance he ends up just being a 1-year stop-gap. And is he good enough to warrant throwing money away this year? Unless the Browns are willing to eat a large chunk of the cost, I don't see the Panthers making the deal. the panthers were all in on a 55 million dollar contract plus 3 number 1s so salary cap is a huge LIE. The reason why they wanted to get DESHAUN is to sell tickets. Cleveland new Mayfield would not sign a franchise tag so at the end of this year they would be trying to sell tickets with no qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, iknowcool said: The Panthers have made it blatantly clear they do not like Darnold or view him as a long-term starter. I don't think they are "tanking" either. At least none of their moves this offseason would indicate that is the plan, especially when 2020 served as the most ideal year to tank by far. The biggest reason against trading for Mayfield is having to pay both Darnold and Mayfield $18m. That is a big commitment for two guys that aren't very good. Mayfield has more upside and clearly at this stage is better than Darnold, but there is a very good chance he ends up just being a 1-year stop-gap. And is he good enough to warrant throwing money away this year? Unless the Browns are willing to eat a large chunk of the cost, I don't see the Panthers making the deal. I would assume that neither Baker or Jimmy go to the Panthers at their current cap hits. The Browns will likely just eat a large portion of Baker's deal, and at this juncture, Jimmy may just take a straight up paycut. If the 49ers cut him, which most anticipate before the start of the year, he's going to sign with someone at a much lower, backup level QB contract rate for a year. So even taking a straight paycut to like 10-12 million for the last year of his deal may be in his best interest. And you can't rule out the 49ers taking Darnold back if they can figure out a backup level extension to spread his current year cap hit out over Ultimately I think one ends up in Carolina though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 I don’t think Baker gets traded this weekend. I think this goes into TC maybe even early season until a QB drops. We need to make the most out of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 4 hours ago, mtmmike said: how about new orleans pittsburgh is Baker better than Winston? Is Baker better than Trubisky with added cost factored in both in terms of draft pick and salary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, squire12 said: is Baker better than Winston? It's actually kind of crazy how similar their first 4 years were. iF you were looking for a statistical comp for Baker so far, Winston is one of the best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted April 28, 2022 Author Share Posted April 28, 2022 Now that Jones’s 5th year option wasn’t picked up I can definitely see them in play for Baker. Baker is better than Daniel Jones that I will say for sure. He could beat him out no doubt. I don’t even think it would take long. I could a trade up and we eat some cash Baker and 44 for pick 36 and like a 5th or 6th rounder. We eat some of Bakers cash. I think that could definitely be a fair trade that I would do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, brownie man said: Now that Jones’s 5th year option wasn’t picked up I can definitely see them in play for Baker. Why? They still have Jones for this year. I wouldn't describe Baker as a discernable upgrade for a team that is going through a transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknowcool Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 5 hours ago, mtmmike said: the panthers were all in on a 55 million dollar contract plus 3 number 1s so salary cap is a huge LIE What? Mayfield is nowhere close to Watson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, iknowcool said: What? Mayfield is nowhere close to Watson. We are not going thru that Watson has a super bowl ready team he has to put up or shutup no excuses. He went to a Cleveland that has 3 pro bowlers on the offensive line. A top 5 defense a hof running back So he has to deliver the Super Bowl or just admit he is a qb that puts up good numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 43 minutes ago, Forge said: Why? They still have Jones for this year. I wouldn't describe Baker as a discernable upgrade for a team that is going through a transition. Watch jones verses Mayfield then make that statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, mtmmike said: Watch jones verses Mayfield then make that statement. I've seen them both. Baker still isn't very good and neither is Jones. The Giants regime is not under any undue pressure, it's a new regime. They don't need to go from the 25th best QB to the 21st best QB and give up assets to do it. And that's before considering they also have Tyrod Taylor. Baker is better than Mariota, doesn't mean that the Falcons should be doing that either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 4 minutes ago, Forge said: I've seen them both. Baker still isn't very good and neither is Jones. The Giants regime is not under any undue pressure, it's a new regime. They don't need to go from the 25th best QB to the 21st best QB and give up assets to do it. Baker is better than Mariota, doesn't mean that the Falcons should be doing that either. Ok name the 2o you like better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, mtmmike said: Ok name the 2o you like better Rodgers Brady Allen Mahomes Carr Cousins Tannehill Ryan Watson Wilson Herbert Burrow Prescott Lamar Kyler Stafford That's just 16 right off the bat that I would take over him no questions asked. Then you have a group of guys that I would potentially take over Baker but at least I can see you have a conversation about. He would slot somewhere in here and Jones would likely be in the next tier down. 17. Jimmy G 18. Goff 19. Mac Jones 20. Wentz 21. Winston 22. Hurts (not as good of a passer, but his running can make him just as effective) Of course, then you have the guys that I'd certainly prefer to have just from an upside perspective, but admittedly may not ultimately be any good. Lance Lawrence Mills Wilson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 For all the crap that we give Jones, he's only been in a bad situation in NY. He's never had a team on par with the 2020 Browns, for example. Most QBs (including Baker) are their situation. Jones could easily be another Tannehill out of that situation and put on to a good team. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
49erurtaza Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Baker doesn't fix anything for the Giants. Why waste time, assistance, and money. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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