Soko Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 1 hour ago, NYRaider said: That's going to be one of the most interesting storylines during the first few weeks of the season. Does Baker show up and play or does he refuse? Pending a QB injury to another team, he’d be crazy to do anything other than show up & do his absolute best. The Browns need to stay afloat prior to Watson’s suspension and Baker needs to put out some good play before he becomes a free agent. Just can’t imagine him being that stupid and that egotistical…but maybe I’m giving him too much credit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieCamp Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Yin-Yang said: Pending a QB injury to another team, he’d be crazy to do anything other than show up & do his absolute best. The Browns need to stay afloat prior to Watson’s suspension and Baker needs to put out some good play before he becomes a free agent. Just can’t imagine him being that stupid and that egotistical…but maybe I’m giving him too much credit. At this point, I'm not even sure the Browns would want him to show up. They already filled the QB room as though he's not there. He's not yet fully recovered from his shoulder surgery either, so he's not ready for full reps anyway (I don't think). It just feels like the Browns may be willing to just wait patiently until someone offers enough for Baker. They've been silent on the subject, and I get the feeling that Baker will never take another snap for us. As far as staying afloat in Watson's probable absence, that's what the Jacoby Brissett signing was for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 12 hours ago, ET80 said: Agreed - bulk numbers don't tell the story. You saw him progress from the guy who was bamboozled by the Bills to the tune of 4 INTs to the guy who dissected the Chargers and Titans towards the end of the season. There was a progression you couldn't help but notice, all while playing with a depleted roster and a coach who literally forgot what down the team was on at times. Remember, Davis Mills wasn't supposed to start at all - this was Tyrod Taylor's team until his hamstring started to act up. Mills getting in last season was partially due to desperation, he didn't get much opportunity working outside of scout team and 7v7s in TC. To come in cold and actually make progression is worth a second look. Maybe I misspoke earlier/wasn't clear @NYRaider: I think the Texans are 100% making the right decision with Mills. I think you saw the potential and progression as a rookie with flashes down the stretch, especially considering his near nonexistent surrounding talent. I still don't believe that he's "THE GUY" going forward, but they are absolutely right in getting closure here with a full season. Perhaps he balls out and they have a diamond in the rough and absolute gem, while having a ton of future draft capital to build around him. If not, they can use those picks to get a stud franchise QB high in the draft by either using those picks to trade up, or Mills goes in the tank and they tank and get him that way and still have a lot of assets to build around this future guy. Either way, my point is that Baker NOT getting traded to Houston shows that Houston (correctly IMO) is going down the Mills this year otherwise high draft pick next year route. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted May 18, 2022 Share Posted May 18, 2022 24 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Maybe I misspoke earlier/wasn't clear @NYRaider: I think the Texans are 100% making the right decision with Mills. I think you saw the potential and progression as a rookie with flashes down the stretch, especially considering his near nonexistent surrounding talent. I still don't believe that he's "THE GUY" going forward, but they are absolutely right in getting closure here with a full season. Perhaps he balls out and they have a diamond in the rough and absolute gem, while having a ton of future draft capital to build around him. If not, they can use those picks to get a stud franchise QB high in the draft by either using those picks to trade up, or Mills goes in the tank and they tank and get him that way and still have a lot of assets to build around this future guy. Either way, my point is that Baker NOT getting traded to Houston shows that Houston (correctly IMO) is going down the Mills this year otherwise high draft pick next year route. Texans are tanking along with 12 nfc teams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 On 5/18/2022 at 8:07 AM, mtmmike said: Texans are tanking along with 12 nfc teams NFC teams not tanking: Rams, Bucs, Packers, Cowboys, Eagles, Viking, WFT, Saints, Niners, Cardinals So I think your math is off 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 4 hours ago, FrantikRam said: NFC teams not tanking: Rams, Bucs, Packers, Cowboys, Eagles, Viking, WFT, Saints, Niners, Cardinals So I think your math is off Do not agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrantikRam Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 2 hours ago, mtmmike said: Do not agree Well I think we can start by agreeing that the Rams, Bucs, Cowboys and Packers certainly aren't tanking. Eagles - traded for AJ Brown Cardinals - traded for Marquise Brown Washington - traded for Wentz Niners - having given up multiple picks for Lance, no way they would tank Saints, Vikings - both have talent and clearly aren't tanking Those ten teams are likely to all be competing for the playoffs - I'm not sure how you would think any of them were trying to lose next year. You may not agree with some of the trades, but if Washington wanted to lose, made more sense to roll with Heinicke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 2 hours ago, FrantikRam said: Well I think we can start by agreeing that the Rams, Bucs, Cowboys and Packers certainly aren't tanking. Eagles - traded for AJ Brown Cardinals - traded for Marquise Brown Washington - traded for Wentz Niners - having given up multiple picks for Lance, no way they would tank Saints, Vikings - both have talent and clearly aren't tanking Those ten teams are likely to all be competing for the playoffs - I'm not sure how you would think any of them were trying to lose next year. You may not agree with some of the trades, but if Washington wanted to lose, made more sense to roll with Heinicke Interesting But most of the bottom 17 rankings are Nfc. Just like Cleveland who has a low rating of 22 with Deshaun. I do not think they are that bad but Baltimore, Steelers ,and Bengals clearly out drafted us in . Eg giants go Thibedoux then trade for Mayfield how many games due they win? You bring up interesting how does New Orleans have money to go after DESHAUN AT 55 MILLION BUT does not have 20 million for Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 1 minute ago, mtmmike said: DESHAUN AT 55 MILLION BUT does not have 20 million for Mayfield. They have Winston. They don't need Mayfield 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 57 minutes ago, Forge said: They have Winston. They don't need Mayfield Interesting what is Winston rating over the last 4 years ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 Womp womp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, mtmmike said: Interesting what is Winston rating over the last 4 years ? Higher than Baker's. Winston 88.7 to Baker 87.8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, AkronsWitness said: Womp womp Seattle is still the best fit for Baker imo. Him and Pete will mesh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AkronsWitness Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, candyman93 said: Seattle is still the best fit for Baker imo. Him and Pete will mesh well. ehhh its the most obvious fit, but there are some similarities in Russ wanting a trade because of their offensive philosophies and not 'letting Russ cook' and Baker being all pissy pants at Stefanski for playcalling, ect... Edited May 23, 2022 by AkronsWitness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 13 minutes ago, Forge said: Higher than Baker's. Winston 88.7 to Baker 87.8 3 out of the last four 90 or below Also sense he only played 7 games last year you have to go 9 games into 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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