ReggieCamp Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) In a related case, the Indians are being investigated for trying their best. Edited April 19, 2022 by ReggieCamp I mean, Guardians. Not really, I mean Indians. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 36 minutes ago, ReggieCamp said: In a related case, the Indians are being investigated for trying their best. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 The NFL doesn't understand that Browns fans take this investigation as a compliment. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted April 19, 2022 Author Share Posted April 19, 2022 (edited) My counter evidence: Nvm…. We’re ****ed Edited April 19, 2022 by candyman93 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Onizuka Posted April 19, 2022 Share Posted April 19, 2022 Not sure the NFL wants this smoke, I feel they'd find more "miss calls" just in the last few seasons than they would find any sort of tanking in the last decade. In all seriousness though, I feel like we are just going to get labeled incompetent and move on. They just need to ask the homeless man near the stadium, he will tell them anything they want to know about the Browns and even offer some advice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger murdock Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Sashi took over a 3-13 team, let 4 of the 6 best players walk in free agency, signed nobody, traded back a bunch and drafted a bunch of useless players We were considerably less talented than the 3-13 team and of course went 1-15 The sashi decided the team was too good and stripped the roster back ever further. We had a roster that was 70% first or second year players with 1 or 0 career wins and half of them were undrafted. The only offensive player Sashi took in 2 years that was actually worth developing was Higgins for gods sake. the fact that ‘trying to lose’ and doing it means you can be viewed as successful is outrageous. literally anyone could have done what Sashi did. The only thing preventing it is having a shred of integrity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 8 hours ago, roger murdock said: Sashi took over a 3-13 team, let 4 of the 6 best players walk in free agency, signed nobody, traded back a bunch and drafted a bunch of useless players We were considerably less talented than the 3-13 team and of course went 1-15 Ogbah, has signed a missive contract and plays at or near pro bowl level , Nassib has had success, Higgins has been ok. Alot of them got better when they left Browns coaching 8 hours ago, roger murdock said: The sashi decided the team was too good and stripped the roster back ever further. We had a roster that was 70% first or second year players with 1 or 0 career wins and half of them were undrafted. The only offensive player Sashi took in 2 years that was actually worth developing was Higgins for gods sake. the fact that ‘trying to lose’ and doing it means you can be viewed as successful is outrageous. literally anyone could have done what Sashi did. The only thing preventing it is having a shred of integrity. Sachis biggest mistake was the management of the QB position, cutting McCown in 2017 at Hues direction, drafting Kessler, passing over Watson for Peppers and Kizer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 One question I have is how good could the 16 and 17 browns have been under hue Sachi if we went all in? I'm not sure that we would have been very good at all to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpazzo Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 9 hours ago, roger murdock said: literally anyone could have done what Sashi did. The only thing preventing it is having a shred of integrity. Not in the NFL world of 2016. Baseball had tanking for high picks established at that time and basketball had "trust the process" which netted Joel Embid, for the Sixers among other players. Clearing the deck, accumulating picks and team friendly contracts was new back in 2016. Let's not forget the biggest decision Sashi made in 2016 was to decide to NOT take Carson Wentz with the number 2 pick. The Browns took a lot of criticism for making the call that he was not a franchise qb. I think the Cleveland media was mostly against trading out of the #2 pick and wanted us to take Wentz. If you think Wentz has been a bit of a mess in Philly and Indy with good rosters, imagine what he would have been on the Browns with Hue. Oh yeah, Sashi also drafted the best player on the Browns Myles Garret, who if he stays healthy is on a hall of fame trajectory. (John Dorsey as a chance with Chubb, but of course the only reason they had the Chubb pick was because Sashi made the Brock Osweiler deal which again the NFL grey beards and much of the media did not understand. (The Cavs used the same technique to buy the pick that became Kyrie from the Clippers.)) Yes they traded out of Deshaun, but many in the league (not just the Bears) also really believed Mitch Trubisky was the top qb that year. There was Trubisky to the Browns talk up to the morning of the draft. I get it if you don't agree with the plan and its execution, but it was a novel approach at the time and took courage to implement. The NFL establishment hated that methodology of rebuilding a team, and ridiculed the Browns management, but now tanking to accumulate draft assets is a standard model if not the model of how to rebuild a team in the NFL. Sashi changed the way business is done in the NFL. It would have happened eventually with the rise of analytics, but Sashi was the first openly embrace an analytics driven rebuild process and do it out in the open. You can hate Sashi and his plan, say it lacks integrity, or its execution was crap, or that he was terrible at picking players, those are the debates that we are all here for as Browns fans who care about the draft, but anyone could NOT have done Sashi did. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtmmike Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 To be honest they should be under investigation for the Deshaun trade 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 3 hours ago, mtmmike said: To be honest they should be under investigation for the Deshaun trade 😍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornbybrown Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Lol we just sucked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawgdish Posted April 23, 2022 Share Posted April 23, 2022 On 4/20/2022 at 6:49 AM, mrpazzo said: Not in the NFL world of 2016. Baseball had tanking for high picks established at that time and basketball had "trust the process" which netted Joel Embid, for the Sixers among other players. Clearing the deck, accumulating picks and team friendly contracts was new back in 2016. Let's not forget the biggest decision Sashi made in 2016 was to decide to NOT take Carson Wentz with the number 2 pick. The Browns took a lot of criticism for making the call that he was not a franchise qb. I think the Cleveland media was mostly against trading out of the #2 pick and wanted us to take Wentz. If you think Wentz has been a bit of a mess in Philly and Indy with good rosters, imagine what he would have been on the Browns with Hue. Oh yeah, Sashi also drafted the best player on the Browns Myles Garret, who if he stays healthy is on a hall of fame trajectory. (John Dorsey as a chance with Chubb, but of course the only reason they had the Chubb pick was because Sashi made the Brock Osweiler deal which again the NFL grey beards and much of the media did not understand. (The Cavs used the same technique to buy the pick that became Kyrie from the Clippers.)) Yes they traded out of Deshaun, but many in the league (not just the Bears) also really believed Mitch Trubisky was the top qb that year. There was Trubisky to the Browns talk up to the morning of the draft. I get it if you don't agree with the plan and its execution, but it was a novel approach at the time and took courage to implement. The NFL establishment hated that methodology of rebuilding a team, and ridiculed the Browns management, but now tanking to accumulate draft assets is a standard model if not the model of how to rebuild a team in the NFL. Sashi changed the way business is done in the NFL. It would have happened eventually with the rise of analytics, but Sashi was the first openly embrace an analytics driven rebuild process and do it out in the open. You can hate Sashi and his plan, say it lacks integrity, or its execution was crap, or that he was terrible at picking players, those are the debates that we are all here for as Browns fans who care about the draft, but anyone could NOT have done Sashi did. You bring up some valid good things Sashi did, but are looking through a one-sided roses lens. Who did we end up taking in that draft? Corey Coleman? Another QB Sashi traded down from was Deshaun Watson...and we've now mortgaged 3 first round picks and taken on an extremely heavy contract to get him years later, so it's not like the dude was the walk on water genius people like to paint him out to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted May 2, 2022 Author Share Posted May 2, 2022 ADIOS JACKASS!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted May 2, 2022 Share Posted May 2, 2022 I knew this would be the result. This demonstrates how bad a coach Hue is, he has young men to look after at grambling state, and instead of doing that he is complaining about hsi old job Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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