Ozzy Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 14 hours ago, PrplChilPill said: So would I . it's also why I'm good with dealing Hunter, Zadarius, and Cook. Pile up as many picks next year as possible. I would do that, Z. Smith already have his replacement in Davenport for next year and if not that and Davenport is more a DE in the 3/4 then have Wonnum or Patrick Jones... And Cook, I think they could draft his replacement or a quality back in the 3rd or 4th round no question. Not sure Mattison or Chandler are any type of long term answer. But not sure they would get super high picks for either guy, they are not QBs so what 2nd rounder at best but most likely 3rd rounders or below for both, doubt they get any more than two picks for any player. So it is not like they would get high 1st rounders or something. Hunter I doubt they trade but who knows. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcblack34 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 People who think we are going to go into full-on tank mode and start trading everyone for 2024 draft picks after a 13 win season in 2022 aren't being realistic. Cook might be moved for a pick next year because he needs to pass a physical before a trade will happen, but if Smith and Hunter are getting moved, it's going to be for pieces that can help the team win in 2023. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, wcblack34 said: People who think we are going to go into full-on tank mode and start trading everyone for 2024 draft picks after a 13 win season in 2022 aren't being realistic. Cook might be moved for a pick next year because he needs to pass a physical before a trade will happen, but if Smith and Hunter are getting moved, it's going to be for pieces that can help the team win in 2023. I've said repeatedly I don't expect them to, but that I would. They can't punt after winning 13, that doesn't mean they shouldn't do some. With Hunter and Smith they were awful, truly awful, on defense last year. It's almost a certainty Zadarius isn't back, and they have two replacements for him on the roster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDBrocks Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 33 minutes ago, PrplChilPill said: I've said repeatedly I don't expect them to, but that I would. They can't punt after winning 13, that doesn't mean they shouldn't do some. With Hunter and Smith they were awful, truly awful, on defense last year. It's almost a certainty Zadarius isn't back, and they have two replacements for him on the roster. You don’t think it’s worth seeing how they perform in a new defense that is designed to maximize their abilities? It’s not like those guys individually performed poorly. You’re suggesting that they should purposefully downgrade a position of strength and gamble on the future on a defense that you just said was already truly awful. You want to make it worse? Hunter is nearly untradeable, imo. No way they will get enough value back for him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticNorseman Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 I fully expect some crazy trades come draft weekend. So, what are your guesses? Day 1 Trade: ??? Day 2 Trade(s): ??? Day 3 Trade(s): ??? Mine include: Day 1: Vikings trade Danielle Hunter to Houston for #33 overall in 2023 and Houston's 2nd in 2024. I also expect the Vike's to move from #23 down a few slots . . . Maybe Cincy at #28 giving up #131 overall or NO at 29 giving up #115 in addition to #29? Day 2: The Vikes trade Z. Smith and Dalvin Cook netting a 2023 3rd, a 2023 4th, and two 2024 5ths. With the extra 3rd and 4th, the Vikes have flexibility to move around in round 3, maybe late Rd 2. Day 3: I can't predict a thing for Day 3! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boda Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 8:17 AM, swede700 said: No, it wasn't. It was Dennis Green's inability to scout and evaluate defensive players. Maybe draft wise but McCombs failed to put the necessary resources into the team, hell the team had the fewest coordinators of all time I believe & if memory serves me correctly they cut positions and some had to pull double duty. McCombs failed to spend money in FA I remember that being a big talking point way back in the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boda Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 4:24 PM, Ozzy said: And give up what to do so? Already lost the 2nd rounder, what give up a 1st rounder to trade up? Not sure I would do that at all. If they want to move on from Kirk play him this year then cut the cord next year. It is a crazy deep QB group in 2024, one of the deepest in years, includes four-six guys who should have declared this year in 2023. Sucks guys like Rattler, Penix, Travis, Nix, Leary, Rising, Hartman etc did not declare this year, could have been good value picks in the middle rounds or 2nd-3rd round range. Caleb Williams USC JR Drake Maye UNC RS SOPH Spencer Rattler South Carolina RS JJ McCarthy Michigan JR Bo Nix Oregon RS Michael Penix Jr Washington RS Jordan Travis Florida State RS Sam Hartman Notre Dame RS Jayden Daniels LSU RS KJ Jefferson Arkansas RS Devin Leary Kentucky RS Cameron Rising Utah RS DJ Uiagalelei Oregon State Taulia Tagovailoa Maryland RS Will Rogers Miss State Grayson McCall Coastal Carolina RS Joe Milton III Tennessee RS Tyler Shough Texas Tech RS Kedon Slovis BYU RS Phil Jurkovec Pitt RS John Rhys Plumlee UCF RS Spencer Sanders Ole Miss RS Casey Thompson Nebraska RS Brennan Armstrong NC State RS Jeff Sims Nebraska Hank Bachmeier La Tech RS Jalon Daniels Kansas Max Johnson Texas A&M JT Daniels Rice RS Gerry Bohanon USF RS Dillon Gabriel Oklahoma RS Payton Thorne Michigan State RS Emory Jones Cincinnati RS Jack Plummer Louisville RS Graham Mertz Florida RS Drew Pyne Arizona State Cade McNamara Iowa RS Ryan Hilinski Northwestern RS TJ Finley Auburn Jason Bean Kansas RS Jack Tuttle Michigan RS J'Bore Gibbs Idaho RS Zach Annexstad Illinois State For the Vikings to trade up in this draft for Levis seems stupid when there is such a deep QB class next year. The current 2023 class is not very deep at all compared to next year where one could get far better value if you get the right guy. No love for Quinn Ewers? Or are you projecting him to stay in college? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 43 minutes ago, Boda said: No love for Quinn Ewers? Or are you projecting him to stay in college? Honestly not sure he was that amazing at Texas last year. Compared to Drake Maye, Ewers sucked honestly, and Worthy is a great WR on Texas and Whittington, Sanders and Bijan at RB, way better offensive weapons but not near the success Maye had. Most likely the guy transfers because Manning starts next year potentially, but who knows maybe Ewers declares but not sure he will have much success next year because who knows if he even plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticNorseman Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 54 minutes ago, Boda said: No love for Quinn Ewers? Or are you projecting him to stay in college? I was thinking the same about Cameron Ward . . . But, what a list! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArcticNorseman Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Boda said: Maybe draft wise but McCombs failed to put the necessary resources into the team, hell the team had the fewest coordinators of all time I believe & if memory serves me correctly they cut positions and some had to pull double duty. McCombs failed to spend money in FA I remember that being a big talking point way back in the day You are correct . . . McCombs was a tightwad and Denny had him convinced cash was king --- offensively. And, when 3-Deep hit stride, the team was amazing at lining McCombs' coffers. But long before that, the Vikes were selling out home games at a record clip. I know Green loved his offense, but he gutted the team of defense . . . Defensive coordinators ran through a tilurnstile under him . . . And a lot of under qualified guys got a shot at something they weren't able to do. Then, there's the bleeding of talent . . . Green excelled at drafting crappy defensive guys. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 42 minutes ago, ArcticNorseman said: Green excelled at drafting crappy defensive guys. *cough* Underwood *cough* 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boda Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 5 hours ago, Ozzy said: Honestly not sure he was that amazing at Texas last year. Compared to Drake Maye, Ewers sucked honestly, and Worthy is a great WR on Texas and Whittington, Sanders and Bijan at RB, way better offensive weapons but not near the success Maye had. Most likely the guy transfers because Manning starts next year potentially, but who knows maybe Ewers declares but not sure he will have much success next year because who knows if he even plays. I think he transfers as well thats why I asked if you thought he stays in college instead of just staying at Texas. With that said I thought he was playing pretty good up until his injury, not that it was a huge sample size Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boda Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 4 hours ago, vike daddy said: *cough* Underwood *cough* So many guys could replace Underwood here lol He or whoever was in his ear truly was an awful evaluator of Defensive talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 17 hours ago, wcblack34 said: People who think we are going to go into full-on tank mode and start trading everyone for 2024 draft picks after a 13 win season in 2022 aren't being realistic. Cook might be moved for a pick next year because he needs to pass a physical before a trade will happen, but if Smith and Hunter are getting moved, it's going to be for pieces that can help the team win in 2023. I don't see it as tanking trading away Cook/Hunter/Z. Smith. We have depth at edge and RBs are a dime a dozen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 1 hour ago, SteelKing728 said: I don't see it as tanking trading away Cook/Hunter/Z. Smith. We have depth at edge and RBs are a dime a dozen. I agree, they would never have brought in Davenport or Murphy if they were 'tanking'. Or resigned Bradbury for that matter or signed Oliver the blocking TE to a big contract. Getting rid of bad contracts in Cook and getting rid of Z. Smith if he does not want to be here just makes sense. Cook is good but the RB class is great and he could be replaced by a dude in the 3rd round and they would be a quality back and one could take their pick of which one to select. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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