Joe Barry'd again

[Packerraymond]

28 minutes ago, squire12 said:

Might be a fundamental issue in how the staff is built if you dont have at least 1 coach wanting the shot to be a DC

Your last statement is purely an assumption

Correct, one backed in years of watching Matt LaFleur give opportunity to his staff, not one rooted in anger for our DC not being fired. 

[thrILL!]

1 hour ago, BluePacker said:

But the point is... the is NO BENEFIT to having Barry stay on anymore. None. Not once have you made an argument that keeping Barry is the right call here. 

Maybe there’s a positional coach on staff that could step up and call plays on Sunday but maybe they’re not ready to oversee all the daily aspects and responsibilities of being a DC.  It’s not just about what happens on Sunday.  I’d imagine that Barry might be better at those other tasks and that’s one of the reasons MLF wants to wait until the season is over to maintain continuity.  

Fans want definitive proof of change.  We want Barry gone now to prove that MLF sees what we all see. We want justification.  But if there isn’t a coach capable of being the interim DC, it could get even worse on the field.  “At least Barry is gone!” would probably be the sentiment with fans but with such a young team, it’s understandable MLF is going to be protective of his players and their psyche as a team. 

Edited December 19, 2023 by thrILL!
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[Old Guy]

1 hour ago, Packerraymond said:

Of course you don't, you're no longer thinking clearly on the subject.

Position coaches in the NFL probably make 200-400k a year, with probably 1/8 the responsibility of a HC and 1/4 the responsibility of a coordinator. A lot of them are guys in their 40/50/60s. It's not inconceivable that a position coach is living out their life's dream, they don't want to be a HC or a coordinator and are making a hell of a living coaching a position. It's not a black mark on anyone's record that they are doing what they want to do.

You're so full of just angry man assumptions lately that it's hard to take you seriously. None of us have a freaking clue if we have some of the best position coaches or worst, we're not in the meeting rooms, practice fields, weight room, etc... 

 

You've never run an organization. Any decent organization worth a **** is continually developing talent at every level under the executive. People die, people get sick and are out for a while. People also quit. 

You simply cannot have a successful organization unless there is at least one person at each level ready to step into their boss's position.

It's simply inconceivable and you are making poor excuses for keeping Barry. It is a weakness to keep him on as a dead man walking. It shows MLF is a very weak leader. He's still young enough to grow into it, but does he have it in him? I'm not sure anymore. 

[thrILL!]

Just wait until the season is over and Barry Watch is in full swing.  Every day that it takes before it’s announced that Barry won’t be returning will feel like an eternity.  You just know that it’s not going to happen on Monday morning after the Bears game. 

[Mr. Fussnputz]

1 minute ago, Old Guy said:

You've never run an organization. Any decent organization worth a **** is continually developing talent at every level under the executive. People die, people get sick and are out for a while. People also quit. 

You simply cannot have a successful organization unless there is at least one person at each level ready to step into their boss's position.

It's simply inconceivable and you are making poor excuses for keeping Barry. It is a weakness to keep him on as a dead man walking. It shows MLF is a very weak leader. He's still young enough to grow into it, but does he have it in him? I'm not sure anymore. 

Yup. Never hire someone you don't think can be promoted. It means they are mediocre and you will never get rid of them. When Barry was hired, did anyone think he could be promoted to a HC? The thought is laughable. He's mediocre at best, and we're stuck with him. 

[Old Guy]

55 minutes ago, Arthur Penske said:

I’m sure it does. MlF probably dosent wanna be the bad guy and can him when his contract will just run out unfortunately 

Barry gets paid either way, this is no excuse. If Barry was a player, he'd be cut. You are telling players you are going to keep a guy around who is clearly not up to the task because his contract will run out in three weeks. 

If a middling player screwed up this badly, he'd be cut, no question about it. Same standard should apply to his coaching staff. 

[BluePacker]

11 minutes ago, thrILL! said:

Maybe there’s a positional coach on staff that could step up and call plays on Sunday but maybe they’re not ready to oversee all the daily aspects and responsibilities of being a DC.  It’s not just about what happens on Sunday.  I’d imagine that Barry might be better at those other tasks and that’s one of the reasons MLF wants to wait until the season is over to maintain continuity.  

Fans want definitive proof of change.  We want Barry gone now to prove that MLF sees what we all see. We want justification.  But if there isn’t a coach capable of being the interim DC, it could get even worse on the field.  “At least Barry is gone!” would probably be the sentiment with fans but with such a young team, it’s understandable MLF is going to be protective of his players and their psyche as a team. 

How do you know they can step up if they aren't given a chance? You already know the current guy can't do it, why not give someone else a shot.  

You are seeing players check out under Barry, their psyche is damaged already. What benefit is there in keeping him? Why not give someone chance that might spark things?

[Packerraymond]

12 minutes ago, Old Guy said:

You've never run an organization. Any decent organization worth a **** is continually developing talent at every level under the executive. People die, people get sick and are out for a while. People also quit. 

You simply cannot have a successful organization unless there is at least one person at each level ready to step into their boss's position.

It's simply inconceivable and you are making poor excuses for keeping Barry. It is a weakness to keep him on as a dead man walking. It shows MLF is a very weak leader. He's still young enough to grow into it, but does he have it in him? I'm not sure anymore. 

We're not keeping Barry.

[Sasquatch]

There’s an uncomfortable level of disarray on the defensive side of this team that has me very concerned. The Alexander situation, the Douglas trade, the complete lack of competent coaching, players clearly making their own management decisions, among several others.

These are fairly large issues - issues a HC needs to deal with in advance of them becoming catastrophic level issues.  MLF is a young HC and I sense he’s out of his depth on this situation, made even more complicated because he hired a friend as his DC.  I get why he might have wanted to go the safe and secure route by hiring Barry, but now he has to answer for that decision, and for the absolute mess our defensive unit has become.

[thrILL!]

7 minutes ago, BluePacker said:

How do you know they can step up if they aren't given a chance? You already know the current guy can't do it, why not give someone else a shot.  

You are seeing players check out under Barry, their psyche is damaged already. What benefit is there in keeping him? Why not give someone chance that might spark things?

Does he not know?  We certainly don’t know.  We’re just fans speculating and assuming things.  I get the sentiment but at some point you have to defer to the ppl actually in the building.  MLF is the one around these coaches.  He hired them so if anyone knows what they’re capable of, it’s him.  

Now is he wrong and there actually is someone capable?  Perhaps and that could be a further indictment on him and even if he’s not, it could be another knock of his hiring ability. But we’ve never even met these position coaches IRL so how exactly do we know?

Edited December 19, 2023 by thrILL!

[Arthur Penske]

15 minutes ago, Old Guy said:

Barry gets paid either way, this is no excuse. If Barry was a player, he'd be cut. You are telling players you are going to keep a guy around who is clearly not up to the task because his contract will run out in three weeks. 

If a middling player screwed up this badly, he'd be cut, no question about it. Same standard should apply to his coaching staff. 

Huh? I didn’t say I agree with keeping Barry. Actually the opposite 

[squire12]

9 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

We're not keeping Barry.

Is Barry still the DC?  Is that not keeping him?

[squire12]

6 minutes ago, thrILL! said:

Does he not know?  We certainly don’t know.  We’re just fans speculating and assuming things.  I get the sentiment but at some point you have to defer to the ppl actually in the building.  MLF is the one around these coaches.  He hired them so if anyone knows what they’re capable of, it’s him.  

Does MLF actually know what Barry is/ isn't capable of?  Wasn't it last year that MLF had to increase his involvement in the defensive side of things?

Repeating things and expecting a different result.

[Jaire_Island]

9 minutes ago, squire12 said:

Is Barry still the DC?  Is that not keeping him?

Let him coach for another 3 weeks he is gone anyway.

 

 

[Jaire_Island]

Every one on Pittsburgh wanted to Fire Matt Canada since their pass game sucks under him. They did fired him. After that, their pass game and run game both sucked.