Joe Barry'd again

[squire12]

8 minutes ago, Brit Pack said:

While the coaching has changed the elite personnel of Bosa (from 2019), Warner, Arik Armstead, Buckner (til 2020) hasn't. 

2nd overall pick, 7th overall pick, 17 overall pick.

 

[minnypackerfan]

1 hour ago, squire12 said:

2nd overall pick, 7th overall pick, 17 overall pick.

 

You get what you emphasize.

[skibrett15]

6 hours ago, Brit Pack said:

Just to add to this, take the 49ers since 2017 they have had Saleh, Ryans and now Wilks. While the coaching has changed the elite personnel of Bosa (from 2019), Warner, Arik Armstead, Buckner (til 2020) hasn't. 

Talent is what this team needs. The last elite player this defence had was Z.Smith, opponents had to account for him. Jaire if he stays healthy i would consider elite also. 

This is correct.  Jaire is only close to elite though.

Still, the coaching is also putrid

[Brit Pack]

8 hours ago, squire12 said:

2nd overall pick, 7th overall pick, 17 overall pick.

 

2021 Rams Super Bowl winning team had:

Donald - 13th pick
Ramsey - 2 first rounders 
Von Miller - 2nd and 3rd rounder

Many ways to acquire the talent but you need talent to win. Agreed, the reality is higher chance you find that talent at the top of the draft, more luck as you go down the rounds, or you have to go out and trade for it. Then you have to have cap space to throw money at those players. Without them though no chance.

In 2020 Rams had the top defence in the League under Staley, after the season he leaves for the Chargers and they have the 30th ranked defence in 2021. 

If fans think changing DC in Green Bay will lead to different results it won't, we need playmakers on this defence and we just don't have them. 

Coaches are so overrated, they just get in the way. Let players call the plays. #freeplayersfromdumbcoaches

[coachbuns]

2 hours ago, Brit Pack said:

2021 Rams Super Bowl winning team had:

Donald - 13th pick
Ramsey - 2 first rounders 
Von Miller - 2nd and 3rd rounder

Many ways to acquire the talent but you need talent to win. Agreed, the reality is higher chance you find that talent at the top of the draft, more luck as you go down the rounds, or you have to go out and trade for it. Then you have to have cap space to throw money at those players. Without them though no chance.

In 2020 Rams had the top defence in the League under Staley, after the season he leaves for the Chargers and they have the 30th ranked defence in 2021. 

If fans think changing DC in Green Bay will lead to different results it won't, we need playmakers on this defence and we just don't have them. 

Coaches are so overrated, they just get in the way. Let players call the plays. #freeplayersfromdumbcoaches

If you want to mortgage a teams future for 10 years at a minimum .. do what the Rams did.  Maybe it was worth it for them at the time but as of now their teams sucks and its fans aren't happy.  To add a difference making player and his salary you need cap dollars to spend AND giving up a lot of draft capital.  The Packers haven't had either for the past number of years AND yes, coaching makes a huge difference.  

[Brit Pack]

1 hour ago, coachbuns said:

If you want to mortgage a teams future for 10 years at a minimum .. do what the Rams did.  Maybe it was worth it for them at the time but as of now their teams sucks and its fans aren't happy.  To add a difference making player and his salary you need cap dollars to spend AND giving up a lot of draft capital.  The Packers haven't had either for the past number of years AND yes, coaching makes a huge difference.  

All I was showing there are different ways to skin a cat, not saying we have to do any of them.

If acquiring playmakers was easy every team would do it. It's risky and requires an investment of salary cap space and draft capital.

I just don't se teams winning without talent. Talent makes coaches look way better than they really are

[squire12]

3 hours ago, Brit Pack said:

2021 Rams Super Bowl winning team had:

Donald - 13th pick
Ramsey - 2 first rounders 
Von Miller - 2nd and 3rd rounder

Many ways to acquire the talent but you need talent to win. Agreed, the reality is higher chance you find that talent at the top of the draft, more luck as you go down the rounds, or you have to go out and trade for it. Then you have to have cap space to throw money at those players. Without them though no chance.

In 2020 Rams had the top defence in the League under Staley, after the season he leaves for the Chargers and they have the 30th ranked defence in 2021. 

If fans think changing DC in Green Bay will lead to different results it won't, we need playmakers on this defence and we just don't have them. 

Coaches are so overrated, they just get in the way. Let players call the plays. #freeplayersfromdumbcoaches

2022

Miami trade 1sts for Hill and Chubb.  Playoff wins = 0

Chicago trade 2nd for Claypool.  Misses playoffs.

Minnesota trades 2nd and 3rd for Hockenson.   Playoff wins = 0

Baltimore trades 2nd for Roquan Smith.  Playoff wins = 1

SF trades 2nd and 3rd for CMC.  Playoff wins =2

LV trades 1srand 2nd for Adams. Misses playoffs 

Trading for talent isn't a surefire path to a title

[Eternal]

30 minutes ago, squire12 said:

2022

Miami trade 1sts for Hill and Chubb.  Playoff wins = 0

Chicago trade 2nd for Claypool.  Misses playoffs.

Minnesota trades 2nd and 3rd for Hockenson.   Playoff wins = 0

Baltimore trades 2nd for Roquan Smith.  Playoff wins = 1

SF trades 2nd and 3rd for CMC.  Playoff wins =2

LV trades 1srand 2nd for Adams. Misses playoffs 

Trading for talent isn't a surefire path to a title

Some of those teams who made those trades were looking to build towards future and obviously weren't going to win the title that year (Bears). SF and Miami set themselves up to be a title contender this year. They were trying to get a jump start. You need talent regardless to win a title.

[coachbuns]

4 hours ago, Brit Pack said:

All I was showing there are different ways to skin a cat, not saying we have to do any of them.

If acquiring playmakers was easy every team would do it. It's risky and requires an investment of salary cap space and draft capital.

I just don't se teams winning without talent. Talent makes coaches look way better than they really are

True .. always been that way.  However, better coaches can bring out the best in average players.  Rather have talent and good coaches!

[OneTwoSixFive]

17 hours ago, Brit Pack said:

Don't have to pick top 5 to get studs.

Kelce - pick: 62, 2013
C.Jones - pick 37, 2016
T.Hill - pick 165, 2016
Mahommes - pick: Pick 10, 2017

You just have to guess/pick right when it comes to drafting.


 

I knew you would go this way. Problem is, if ANY TEAM IN THE NFL knew how good these players would be they would have been taken earlier. I already said you can get difference makers beyond the first, say 10 picks, but you have to be a superb player analyst or very, very lucky to get them before everyone and their sister knows how good they will be. If you have exclusive access to Lady Lucks home number, let me know. The draft is not quite a lottery, but there is a big chunk of luck involved.

17 hours ago, Brit Pack said:

Just to add to this, take the 49ers since 2017 they have had Saleh, Ryans and now Wilks. While the coaching has changed the elite personnel of Bosa (from 2019), Warner, Arik Armstead, Buckner (til 2020) hasn't. 

Talent is what this team needs. The last elite player this defence had was Z.Smith, opponents had to account for him. Jaire if he stays healthy i would consider elite also. 

You make my point for me. As I said in an earlier post, you know you are doing things right with coaching choices, when they start getting taken by other teams. If no-one is sniffing round your coaches, there is a reason for that. 49ers have had their coaches raided regularly - why do you think that is ?

[coachbuns]

GB offense is offensive.  MLF and his staff have to absolutely be held accountable.  Players missing blocks, players doing stupid penalties, play calling terrible .. who do they hold accountable?  It's do or die time for MLF and his staff should have their feet put to the coals.  Don't forget Joe Barry either.  Good job on 2 plays and then do a soft zone on 3rd down and pick it up.  It's time for him to go .. just time. 

Edited October 29, 2023 by coachbuns

[MacReady]

Where are all those people who said the Packers haven’t given up 20 points in such and such against 97 consecutive crappy quarterbacks?

If the QB is even Kirk Cousins tier, teams are scoring more than 20 points against this cupcake defense.

[sgtcheezwiz]

9 minutes ago, MacReady said:

Where are all those people who said the Packers haven’t given up 20 points in such and such against 97 consecutive crappy quarterbacks?

If the QB is even Kirk Cousins tier, teams are scoring more than 20 points against this cupcake defense.

Hell, they will even help make it happen with a bazillion personal fouls and missed tackles

[Leader]

 

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I think the defense has some talent to work with, but the coordinator is always going to put them at a disadvantage.  It's obvious that if the Packers have hopes of fielding a top flight defense then Joe Barry is not your guy.  At best he's as mediocre as it gets, and at worst he's bottom five in the league.  Just make the change.