Mr Anonymous Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 6 hours ago, vegas492 said: When listening to Kirwan and Miller on Sirius XM....they've been talking Rodgers a lot. Both of them reiterated a point that is seldom made here. Rodgers has the power. It could be that he wants to play next year and he wants to be a Packer. He can force that to happen. Miller expects that to happen. Kirwan was 50/50. He thought that if another team showed him enough love, such as signing his friends, that would sway Rodgers. Now...they've been wrong before, but that was a tune they were singing yesterday. And I'm quoting this because it also reiterates that the Packers ceded the power they could have held. Reporters affiliated with NFL.com and NFL Network seem to be aware that the Packers were always going to go along with any route Rodgers chose. As I've been saying, they're not drawing a line in the sand with Rodgers whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 59 minutes ago, incognito_man said: The discussion was about this off-season, not next. This season sure, and the option bonus impacts next season unless Rodgers retires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smetana34 Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Let's say Rodgers decides to stay. When is our first/best chance to cut him without massive cap ramifications? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Anyone who says the team has no leverage: (1) Has an agenda (2) Has a source with an agenda (3) Doesn't understand business For around the umpteenth time, the Packers could have a fair amount of leverage if not for 2 things... The contract they gave Rodgers last year Their unwillingness to get messy #1 is done and irreversible. As for #2, they could repeat 2008 and tell Rodgers that it's Love's job now and that there's no place in Green Bay for him. BUUUUT, from the top down that absolutely will not be a card they will play. They stripped themselves of that leverage voluntarily and it's known in multiple circles both internally and around the league. One of the reasons they worked things out last year and why Rodgers' relationship with Gute improved is because all sides came to an understanding that there would be no "force out". Edited March 9, 2023 by Mr Anonymous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddfather Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: And I'm quoting this because it also reiterates that the Packers ceded the power they could have held. Reporters affiliated with NFL.com and NFL Network seem to be aware that the Packers were always going to go along with any route Rodgers chose. As I've been saying, they're not drawing a line in the sand with Rodgers whatsoever. They are if they told him at the end of the seasons things need to change and they want him to show he is actually all in and committed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Penske Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Long shot but Maybe you can Bring the 49ers Into it now if the Jets are effing around with only a 2nd rounder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squire12 Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Anyone who says the team has no leverage: (1) Has an agenda (2) Has a source with an agenda (3) Doesn't understand business (Adding another one) (4) Doesn't understand the definition of leverage What is the leverage play for GB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green19 Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: For around the umpteenth time, the Packers could have a fair amount of leverage if not for 2 things... The contract they gave Rodgers last year Their desire not to get messy #1 is done and irreversible. as for #2, they could repeat 2008 and tell Rodgers that it's Love's job now and that there's no place in Green Bay for him. BUUUUT, from the top down that absolutely will not be a card they will play. They stripped themselves of that leverage voluntarily and it's known in multiple circles both internally and around the league. One of the reasons they worked things out last year and why Rodgers' relationship with Gute improved is because all sides came to an understanding that there would be no "force out". I buy this… but I think GB can do things like not bring back Cobb, Lazard, Lewis, etc and say if you stay here it’s a new cast of characters. We aren’t doing the greatest hits again. And we all heard Rodgers said he isn’t interested in a rebuild. So there can be things around the edge GB can do to make Rodgers uncomfortable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uffdaswede Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Anyone who says the team has no leverage: (1) Has an agenda (2) Has a source with an agenda (3) Doesn't understand business (Adding another one) (4) Doesn't understand the definition of leverage Okay if I have a vintage muscle car and I really need to sell it, its value is whatever someone wants to give me. If I have only one bidder I have low leverage and am likely to get less than I want for it. If I have multiple bidders I get more "leverage". If my vintage car threatens to retire my analogy starts sucking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 6 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: For around the umpteenth time, the Packers could have a fair amount of leverage if not for 2 things... The contract they gave Rodgers last year Their unwillingness to get messy #1 is done and irreversible. As for #2, they could repeat 2008 and tell Rodgers that it's Love's job now and that there's no place in Green Bay for him. BUUUUT, from the top down that absolutely will not be a card they will play. They stripped themselves of that leverage voluntarily and it's known in multiple circles both internally and around the league. One of the reasons they worked things out last year and why Rodgers' relationship with Gute improved is because all sides came to an understanding that there would be no "force out". For the umpteenth time, they don't have to do anything but not want Aaron and the rest handles itself. And they know it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, smetana34 said: Let's say Rodgers decides to stay. When is our first/best chance to cut him without massive cap ramifications? we cannot cut him without massive cap ramifications Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, squire12 said: What is the leverage play for GB? Make it obvious they want Love to play. The rest is handling itself as they knew it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Mr Anonymous said: For around the umpteenth time, the Packers could have a fair amount of leverage if not for 2 things... The contract they gave Rodgers last year Their unwillingness to get messy #1 is done and irreversible. As for #2, they could repeat 2008 and tell Rodgers that it's Love's job now and that there's no place in Green Bay for him. BUUUUT, from the top down that absolutely will not be a card they will play. They stripped themselves of that leverage voluntarily and it's known in multiple circles both internally and around the league. One of the reasons they worked things out last year and why Rodgers' relationship with Gute improved is because all sides came to an understanding that there would be no "force out". I disagree. I think GB's willing to directly tell AR "It's time to move on" (if they havent already.....) should he ring up Gute to ask where they're headed for dinner and how excited he is to play in GB this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Uffdaswede said: Okay if I have a vintage muscle car and I really need to sell it, its value is whatever someone wants to give me. If I have only one bidder I have low leverage and am likely to get less than I want for it. If I have multiple bidders I get more "leverage". If my vintage car threatens to retire my analogy starts sucking. You own the car, right? And a replacement for it. And you can afford them both if you want to. Edited March 9, 2023 by incognito_man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Anonymous Posted March 9, 2023 Share Posted March 9, 2023 Just now, incognito_man said: For the umpteenth time, they don't have to do anything but not want Aaron and the rest handles itself. And they know it. I don't know why this is so hard to understand. From the top, there will not be any pushing Rodgers out the door. Of course any or all in the front office and coaching room can want it, but the organization has made it clear they would not do it. The Packers want a happy separation no matter how it comes - a trade or a retirement. A release was taken off the table via the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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