jimkelly02 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: The problem is Carr is not good enough to make us a winner but he is to good to find an upgrade year 1 without having to trade everything and paying a kings ransom. We were always going to suffer after getting rid of him but hopefully it would be a situation here we take one step back and takeoff running after. Again, I don’t disagree with that you’ve said. I said #2 In reference to the the idea if we upgrade from Carr we’ll be a playoff team, not it’s time to rebuild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: The problem is Carr is not good enough to make us a winner but he is to good to find an upgrade year 1 without having to trade everything and paying a kings ransom. We were always going to suffer after getting rid of him but hopefully it would be a situation here we take one step back and takeoff running after. We're in the QB Lottery now With nothing on defense and in need of serious help in a division thats not easy to win. Edited January 8, 2023 by Jeremy408 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raiderlife24 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: Again, I don’t disagree with that you’ve said. I said #2 In reference to the the idea if we upgrade from Carr we’ll be a playoff team, not it’s time to rebuild. Our defense needs so much work is that ok king Jimkelly special Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 14 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: Before Gruden got the boot and the Ruggs situation we were a borderline playoff team. Although DA was an improvement on Ruggs JMD was not an improvement on Gruden. We got worse at other positions so I would argue this was a worse team than what we had the 1st half of last year. The second half team from last year was just garbage. They stumbled into the playoffs and it was 95% luck. Anyone thinking that we were set to make another run was impatient or made excuses. Zeigler did everything the complete opposite of what I would have done. The only exception was Crosby. Leatherwood and Bars are both pretty bad. I would have liked to have tried Leatherwood on the left-side before getting rid of him. Finally someone says it out loud Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, Frankie2Gunz said: Carr is a 12ish NFL Qb that has been held back by the worst ran organization in the NFL. We witnessed today what a bum QB looks like on this **** roster. It was flat out ugly. If you think what you saw from Stidham was ugly, Go look at some of Carr's late season numbers vs far inferior KC teams throughout the years and tell me what you think. Just now, Frankie2Gunz said: I hope Carr lands in a great situation next season, a situation with coaching stability, talent, a good D and Oline. If he can he will showcase his talents and prove the Raiders have indeed held him back. In order words, you hope he goes to a loaded team that can compensate for him being an average QB. Just now, Frankie2Gunz said: I also hope that we can land an young, elite signal caller sometime over the next two years and if not we will see a lot of games like we saw today. Total embarrassments.... I found Carr being outplayed by Baker Mayfield and Kenny Pickett to be more embarrassing over getting blown out by The Chiefs, who have the best record in NFL and the MVP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Happy for this season to be over. Not a fun team to watch at all. Ready for an eventful offseason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 I love how we all go back and forth about the QB situation as if that’s our only problem lol no one, I repeat, no one will be successful with this supporting cast. **** coaching, **** OL, **** defense. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 minutes ago, Geezy said: I love how we all go back and forth about the QB situation as if that’s our only problem lol no one, I repeat, no one will be successful with this supporting cast. **** coaching, **** OL, **** defense. Ppl have been saying this it's just that that point of view is seen as the defending Carr side 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, SilverNBlackFan said: If you think what you saw from Stidham was ugly, Go look at some of Carr's late season numbers vs far inferior KC teams throughout the years and tell me what you think. In order words, you hope he goes to a loaded team that can compensate for him being an average QB. I found Carr being outplayed by Baker Mayfield and Kenny Pickett to be more embarrassing over getting blown out by The Chiefs, who have the best record in NFL and the MVP Stidham is not a starter in this league. Which is fine. Let’s not delude ourselves here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 picks in the first, 1 pick and 2 fumbles in the 2nd. I know how this forum feels, but let’s not seriously say we have any chance to win with this guy. It’s comical. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Too bad we’re going into win now mode, with a coach fighting for his job and going to rush this roster turnover and reach on bull****, instead of building it the right way. Never ending cycle of bull**** excuses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 15 minutes ago, MrOaktown_56 said: Stidham is not a starter in this league. Which is fine. Let’s not delude ourselves here. Exactly. He gave people false hope last week bc no one had tape on him. Did great against a great defense. Played a poor defense a week later, when they had tape, and we got what I expected last week. We have no QB on our roster now so we'll need one but not as badly as we need guys to block for him. That's a much bigger priority 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Wish we had an owner smart enough to know we need to build from the ground up. Instead the pressure is on McDip**** to turn this around in an off-season. Guarantee we pull some desperate **** that only looks good on paper and end up falling on our face. Mark is smart enough to sell us dreams because he knows we’re so desperate for a winner. We need a total rebuild, but we’ll get some bull**** “retooling”. Same **** year after year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, Geezy said: Wish we had an owner smart enough to know we need to build from the ground up. Instead the pressure is on McDip**** to turn this around in an off-season. Guarantee we pull some desperate **** that only looks good on paper and end up falling on our face. Mark is smart enough to sell us dreams because he knows we’re so desperate for a winner. We need a total rebuild, but we’ll get some bull**** “retooling”. Same **** year after year hes trying to sell tickets. its why hes about to go all in on tom brady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geezy Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Unless you have some transcendent talent at QB, you have to build your team first. No middle of the road QB is going to turn a team like this around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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