Geezy Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, Jeremy408 said: hes trying to sell tickets. its why hes about to go all in on tom brady Which may or may not work for 1 year. Then we will be back in the same spot next year. Add some cheap names in FA to get the blood flowing, maybe trade some picks and go all in to win 9 games. And be in the same spot next year. Until we draft well it will be the same ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, Geezy said: Which may or may not work for 1 year. Then we will be back in the same spot next year. Add some cheap names in FA to get the blood flowing, maybe trade some picks and go all in to win 9 games. And be in the same spot next year. Until we draft well it will be the same ****. itll work if we get Brady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said: We're in the QB Lottery now With nothing on defense and in need of serious help in a division thats not easy to win. Well we should still be able to get something for Carr that will help fill other holes. Once again it will come down to how well the FO uses those picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said: Finally someone says it out loud And I did not like Gruden from the beginning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, drfrey13 said: Well we should still be able to get something for Carr that will help fill other holes. Once again it will come down to how well the FO uses those picks. thats assuming that we are able to trade Carr Edited January 8, 2023 by Jeremy408 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpaulthe1st Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) Stings to lose to KC but the reality is that we started 7-8 players today that were either not on our team in training camp or not on our active roster in Week 1 and the Chiefs were at full strength and playing to clinch the #1 seed. I know it’s therapeutic to say the sky is falling but we were severely outmatched today and I don’t see today’s performance as an indictment on PG or JMD. They have been below average to average this season and today was more of the same. I have very little confidence in this coaching staff going into next year but, then again, I felt the same way about Jon Gruden and PG, Jack Del Rio and KNJ, etc. I wonder if we can keep Ziegler and move on from JMD after next year? I believe in Ziegler and think he has the perfect demeanor for a GM. I just don’t understand why he was willing to tie his fate to a divisive figure like JMD. Edited January 8, 2023 by jpaulthe1st 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverNBlackFan Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Just now, MrOaktown_56 said: Stidham is not a starter in this league. Which is fine. Let’s not delude ourselves here. Oh i absolutely agree hes not. I even said as much after last weeks game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 hours ago, jpaulthe1st said: Stings to lose to KC but the reality is that we started 7-8 players today that were either not on our team in training camp or not on our active roster in Week 1 and the Chiefs were at full strength and playing to clinch the #1 seed. I know it’s therapeutic to say the sky is falling but we were severely outmatched today and I don’t see today’s performance as an indictment on PG or JMD. They have been below average to average this season and today was more of the same. I have very little confidence in this coaching staff going into next year but, then again, I felt the same way about Jon Gruden and PG, Jack Del Rio and KNJ, etc. I wonder if we can keep Ziegler and move on from JMD next year? I believe in Ziegler and think he has the perfect demeanor for a GM. I don’t understand why he was willing to tie his fate to a divisive figure like JMD. I was waiting for Perryman to come flying in and put Pacheco on his wallet but then I kept realizing how shorthanded we were. A lot of work to be done this off-season. Unfortunately we do not have as many resources as I would like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: thats assuming that we are able to trade Carr The only way we can not trade Carr is if he makes it personal and sabotages himself to hurt us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drfrey13 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Geezy said: Which may or may not work for 1 year. Then we will be back in the same spot next year. Add some cheap names in FA to get the blood flowing, maybe trade some picks and go all in to win 9 games. And be in the same spot next year. Until we draft well it will be the same ****. Seems like MD thinks building a winner is like making instant oatmeal. You have to do more than just add water. Building a loyal fan base would be more beneficial in the long run anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeremy408 Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, drfrey13 said: The only way we can not trade Carr is if he makes it personal and sabotages himself to hurt us. It would actually hurt us more than it would hurt him because the other teams wouldn't trade knowing that the Raiders have to cut him After a certain point in order to not have to pay him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darbsk Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 8 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: See this is what emotion does. It doesn't allow you to see the point that's being made. I mentioned multiple times that my main argument is that it doesn't really matter who the quarterback is in regards to why we lose. Our problems don't go away because of who is under center. I mentioned multiple times last week that it would've been awesome for Jarrett Stidham to do really well so that he could be the stopgap that we need rather than paying someone like Jimmy Garoppolo. The problem is you are so focused on proving that Carr is the problem that you have to accuse anyone who disagrees with you to be a "Carr lover". And then you have to accuse me of not fixing my car lol(Something thats impossible for you to know). But again here are the Hyperbole free stats(with a little bit of help): Raiders Chiefs with the Carr at quarterback: 29-30 Raiders Chiefs with the Stidham at quarterback: 13 -31 Common denominators -The quarterback(regardless of who that person is) gets pressured and sacked to bunch of times -The defense(which neither quarterback plays on) gets 30 points scored on them -the playcalling(which each quarterback can't control) is questionable in key situations ^See there's no accusation, namecalling/labeling, or hyberbole needed for that. Thats how you articulate a point. With that being said, what was your point again? Good post, it’s impossible to know what Carr would have done with the same supporting cast today, it’s pretty pointless to say ‘Carr would have dove this or that’ because quite obviously we can’t know and there can’t be any productive discussion about it. What is absolutely clear is that this roster needs a lot of work. Luckily the weaknesses are clear and we should be able to rectify DT, OG and CB this off season and add some depth in Free Agency. Las Vegas should still be a positive destination with the tax situation and facilities. I really don’t know if McDaniels is good or terrible at this stage. We should find out definitively next year. I’d actually secretly like to plonk Brady straight into this team with no changes just to see what would happen……..that would answer a lot of questions 😁 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 2 minutes ago, Darbsk said: Good post, it’s impossible to know what Carr would have done with the same supporting cast today, it’s pretty pointless to say ‘Carr would have dove this or that’ because quite obviously we can’t know and there can’t be any productive discussion about it. What is absolutely clear is that this roster needs a lot of work. Luckily the weaknesses are clear and we should be able to rectify DT, OG and CB this off season and add some depth in Free Agency. Las Vegas should still be a positive destination with the tax situation and facilities. I really don’t know if McDaniels is good or terrible at this stage. We should find out definitively next year. I’d actually secretly like to plonk Brady straight into this team with no changes just to see what would happen……..that would answer a lot of questions 😁 The roster does need work but let’s not forget that we went into this game on defense without Jones, Perryman, Diablo, Brown, Ya-Sin, then suffered in game injuries to Mulangi (1 of 2 healthy LBs) & Hobbs. It’s difficult enough facing the Chiefs offense never mind without those players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dessie Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Hopefully the end of GDT will mean no more sarcastic “Carrs fault” posts or posts trying to say it would be even worse with Carr, pretty pathetic on both sides tbh. I won’t hold my breath though. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Jeremy408 said: It would actually hurt us more than it would hurt him because the other teams wouldn't trade knowing that the Raiders have to cut him After a certain point in order to not have to pay him. He’d lose out on cash if he does that though because he’s never getting the same salary on the open market. I mean, the guy doesn’t really need the cash so it wouldn’t surprise me if he does make things difficult for us, but if he wants to be bitter rather than maximise his earning then that’s not really a good look for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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