Jlash Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 hours ago, VanS said: That's because most mediocre QBs at the next level aren't NFL QBs. Lotta bad QB in the NFL. Ok man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 #1 pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lod01 Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 9 hours ago, VanS said: Mayfield has no elite traits. At least Lamar Jackson has generation athleticism at the QB position. And unlike RG3 has proven he can be somewhat durable. I think Lamar can be a taller Michael Vick. He'll never be a great passer but his athleticism will help him and his team win many games. Gimme Lamar Jackson all day over Baker Mayfield. Then he's garbage in the NFL. You won't win SBs without that unless you build a stellar defense to counter the suckage you have at QB. Give me the passing QB over the guy that drops back and runs after the 1st read every day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 On 11/29/2017 at 6:22 PM, CWood21 said: Again, this is a total non-issue. If this was Sam Darnold, nobody would be give a damn. But because it's Baker Mayfield, it's a HUGE issue. Honestly, of all the things that bothered me the most, the Kansas game was the only one I had a major issue with. The run-in with the cops was poor judgment on his part, and there's been NOTHING to make you believe that this is likely or will happen again. As for the TCU warm-up, that's not on Baker Mayfield to have to work around the TCU players running through the warm up. That's my stance, and I'll stick to it. holy apologist batman I knew literally nothing about this guy like a month ago, I watched him for about 5 minutes and knew immediately i'd never want him near my team. Looks like a POS through and through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanS Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 2 hours ago, lod01 said: Then he's garbage in the NFL. You won't win SBs without that unless you build a stellar defense to counter the suckage you have at QB. Give me the passing QB over the guy that drops back and runs after the 1st read every day of the week. Michael Vick led a very average Atlanta Falcons team to the NFC Championship Game in 2004 based purely on the fact he was the best athlete to ever play QB. Lamar Jackson is very similar. I don't think he'll win a super bowl but I think he'll be a MONSTER in the league like Vick. Teams will fear him because of his athleticism. His passing is good enough to keep teams honest like Vick. His running is what will make a difference. People say you can't win with a running QB. That is FALSE. You can win with a running QB.....just not for long because of the risk of injury. I think Lamar can stay healthy even as a run-first QB much like Michael Vick was able to stay healthy in his youth even though he was running for 1,000 yards in a season. Doubt Lamar Jackson at your peril. I think he's gonna set the NFL on FIRE next season. He's just too freaky of an athlete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 On 11/27/2017 at 11:15 AM, TVScout said: Mayfield is not an addict and has actually apologized for past misbehavior. So if I rob you, but then apologize after getting caught, then it's all good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 30 minutes ago, Raves said: So if I rob you, but then apologize after getting caught, then it's all good? It depends. Can you throw a football well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, Forge said: It depends. Can you throw a football well? Depends on the point of reference to what is considered well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcanadian Posted December 1, 2017 Author Share Posted December 1, 2017 On 11/28/2017 at 11:23 AM, Forge said: There has pretty much been only one quarterback with success at the NFL level 6'6" and taller. The best ever is probably Joe Flacco. The sample size is extremely limited however, and it's an arbitrary cut off (do we think that Phillip Rivers or Carson Palmer would have been worse somehow if they were an inch taller?), but at 6'6" and over the results are pretty bad. When you compare that to the guys who have succeeded at 6' and under, it's just amusing that the latter is an issue but the former isn't, even though the latter does have better success overall through the annals of football history. Being over 6'5" definitely seems to affect a QB's career, just has not been too many really successful ones. But to be fair, being 6' or under does not have a long list of success either, but certainly a few more than those over6'5"'s. Either way, teams are wary of drafting these types of QB very high in the draft and it will be interesting to see how high Mayfield goes. Even his supporters on nFL.com, have not ruled out round 2 although they believe he has round 1 talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Raves said: Depends on the point of reference to what is considered well... Touche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD4L Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 I'd much rather prefer Jackson over Mayfield. On the subject matter, I would put all my considerable first round franchise guys over Mayfield. The maturity issues are a thing, and it adds to the theme of being a polarizing player for now. I'd give him a day 2 draft grade currently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 11 hours ago, Raves said: So if I rob you, but then apologize after getting caught, then it's all good? Bad comparison. Booze is not robbery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raves Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 19 minutes ago, TVScout said: Bad comparison. Booze is not robbery. Except when he hits and kills someone robbing them of their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Raves said: Except when he hits and kills someone robbing them of their life. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_Ducktator Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 55 minutes ago, MD4L said: I'd much rather prefer Jackson over Mayfield. On the subject matter, I would put all my considerable first round franchise guys over Mayfield. The maturity issues are a thing, and it adds to the theme of being a polarizing player for now. I'd give him a day 2 draft grade currently. Exactly my point. Johnny Manziel, Geno Smith and Jimmy Clausen all showed maturity issues coming out of college (arguably none even as notably as Baker since most of Johnny's issues didn't come to light until he got to the league) and none have found success in the NFL despite being highly touted. I will give Baker credit that he has better arm talent than all three of them, but we saw flashes from Johnny and Geno that they had talent to at least contribute in the league, but it was the mental side of things that held them back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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