beekay414 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I don't see what separates someone like JPJ from Barton. Why is JPJ in play at 25 but not Barton for some people? If anything, one would think Barton would be higher on our board because of his history of playing all 5 spots on the line. FWIW, I'm higher on Barton than JPJ. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 I mean, Walker-Jenkins-Myers-Barton-Tom is a wet dream of an OL and I think it's totally worth drafting Barton at 25. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) 10 minutes ago, beekay414 said: I don't see what separates someone like JPJ from Barton. Why is JPJ in play at 25 but not Barton for some people? If anything, one would think Barton would be higher on our board because of his history of playing all 5 spots on the line. FWIW, I'm higher on Barton than JPJ. Jenkins played all 5 spots and still went in the 2nd round. Lots of people think he doesn't have the arm length to play OT in the NFL and if that's the case then this should bump him out of the 1st round UNLESS they feel he is one of the best guards/centre in the draft. He played centre for 6 games four years ago and has played entirely at LT since then. He has all the traits to be a top guard but unfortunately it's all just projection. People think he can play all 5 positions. The first round are the position specialist (QB, LT, WR, DE, DT, CB) and the freak athletes, it's generally not for versatile players..that comes later. Edited March 25 by Chili 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 1 minute ago, Chili said: Jenkins played all 5 spots and still went in the 2nd round. Lots of people think he doesn't have the arm length to play OT in the NFL and if that's the case then this should bump him out of the 1st round UNLESS they feel he is one of the best guards/centre in the draft. He play centre for 6 games four years ago and has played entirely at LT since then. He has all the traits to be a top guard but unfortunately it's all just projection. People think he can play all 5 positions. The first round are the position specialist (QB, LT, WR, DE, DT. CB) and the freak athletes, it's generally not for versatile players..that comes later. I didn't ask why he wouldn't go in the first. I asked why he wasn't in play for some and why JPJ was. JPJ isn't a freak athlete (no more than Barton anyways). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) I haven't really gotten into this class too much but my initial impression is either this is a sneaky deep draft or the consensus board is far off right now. Because there's a number of "consensus" 2nd-3rd rounders that feel like late 1st rounders to me. Edited March 25 by incognito_man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 Barton is absolutely a first round caliber player. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 2 minutes ago, incognito_man said: I haven't really gotten into this class too much but my initial impression is either this is a sneaky deep draft or the consensus board is far off right now. Because there's a number of "consensus" 2nd-3rd rounders that feel like late 1st rounders to me. I think the direness of day 3 prospects has been driven into the ground a bit much. There a plenty of guys to like that could hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packfanfb Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 7 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Barton is absolutely a first round caliber player. Agreed but I do go back and forth on whether Gute would actually take him at 25. IMO it would be one of his safest, most practical first round picks of his tenure...and Gutey doesn't typically go that route in the 1st. If anything I could see Gute trade up into the mid-30s on day 2 for Barton (if he's there) moreso than taking him at 25. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 (edited) By the way I LOVE Troy Fautanu. He's the complete package. The only zing on him is his height. He's 6ft3" 3/4 which falls just shy of the Packers OT minimum of 6'4" and the Packers don't draft OL this short early in the draft but they have been known to make exceptions if the talent is so obvious. I think he would make a great guard too. Perfect mindset and body type for it. As pure LTs go in the draft I currently rate Alt and Fashanu as the top two. Followed by Fautanu. Latham dominates his opponents however I think he is a guard all day long. It's obvious he doesn't have the foot quickness compared to these three. I haven't decided yet who would make the better guard prospect...him or Barton. Mims I have pegged as RT only for the time being considering he has started very few college games. Unbelievable physically but seems slow processing compared to the other top OTs. I personally think he comes across as quite immature unlike Alt, Fautanu and Barton. I like Fauga but I don't love him. Played mainly at RT. Suamataia is just too inconsistent for me. He moves well for his size and I like his demeanor but he seems a tick slow with his processing. More of a pass blocker rather than a run blocker. Could be a good option for the Packers in the later rounds. Amegadjie is interesting. Literally has all the tools but will need an adjustment to NFL level coming from Yale. Looking at his interviews he seems reserved/muted unlike the big personality of Alt or the confidence of Fautanu. I wonder if that will hold him back in his development. He's a late rounder for sure. Finally Patrick Paul. He's awkward to watch especially with his ungainly arms. His footwork is not great, in fact its all over the place however he does pass block well and shows aggression but he isn't strong or physical. I thought his get off was consistently slow. He wants to be a politician, I don't know if I want that type of person in the locker room. Edited March 25 by Chili 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 57 minutes ago, Chili said: By the way I LOVE Troy Fautanu. He's the complete package. The only zing on him is his height. He's 6ft3" 3/4 which falls just shy of the Packers OT minimum of 6'4" and the Packers don't draft OL this short early in the draft but they have been known to make exceptions if the talent is so obvious. I think he would make a great guard too. Perfect mindset and body type for it. As pure LTs go in the draft I currently rate Alt and Fashanu as the top two. Followed by Fautanu. Latham dominates his opponents however I think he is a guard all day long. It's obvious he doesn't have the foot quickness compared to these three. I haven't decided yet who would make the better guard prospect...him or Barton. Mims I have pegged as RT only for the time being considering he has started very few college games. Unbelievable physically but seems slow processing compared to the other top OTs. I personally think he comes across as quite immature unlike Alt, Fautanu and Barton. I like Fauga but I don't love him. Played mainly at RT. Suamataia is just too inconsistent for me. He moves well for his size and I like his demeanor but he seems a tick slow with his processing. More of a pass blocker rather than a run blocker. Could be a good option for the Packers in the later rounds. Amegadjie is interesting. Literally has all the tools but will need an adjustment to NFL level coming from Yale. Looking at his interviews he seems reserved/muted unlike the big personality of Alt or the confidence of Fautanu. I wonder if that will hold him back in his development. He's a late rounder for sure. Finally Patrick Paul. He's awkward to watch especially with his ungainly arms. His footwork is not great, in fact its all over the place however he does pass block well and shows aggression but he isn't strong or physical. I thought his get off was consistently slow. He wants to be a politician, I don't know if I want that type of person in the locker room. Based on this, is Guyton not in your top 9 for OT? I've typically seen him ranked well above some of the guys you mentioned, but I haven't looked at tackles too closely yet so I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Scoremore said: Been doing some heavy duty scouting on LB's. One intrigued me. Bobby Boucher from South Central Lousiana Mud Dogs. #9. He's one hell of a player think we should take him at #25 if he drops. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/0/0c/The_waterboy_1998_926x1370_338331.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140311125749&path-prefix=protagonist Scouting report... https://medium.com/@dwily/sports-movie-scouting-report-bobby-boucher-d44a58300a84 He's got Packer written all over him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosser80 Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 4 hours ago, beekay414 said: I don't see what separates someone like JPJ from Barton. Why is JPJ in play at 25 but not Barton for some people? If anything, one would think Barton would be higher on our board because of his history of playing all 5 spots on the line. FWIW, I'm higher on Barton than JPJ. JPJ is a Center/RG at the next level TBH while Barton checks ALL of the boxes we look for. I'm becoming more comfortable with him at 25 myself, especially if the recent reports we've read about other prospects/positions aren't smokescreens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 3 hours ago, Sandy said: Based on this, is Guyton not in your top 9 for OT? I've typically seen him ranked well above some of the guys you mentioned, but I haven't looked at tackles too closely yet so I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning. I haven't got that far. The ones I mentioned are the ones I've looked at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaximusGluteus Posted March 25 Share Posted March 25 11 hours ago, beekay414 said: I don't see what separates someone like JPJ from Barton. Why is JPJ in play at 25 but not Barton for some people? If anything, one would think Barton would be higher on our board because of his history of playing all 5 spots on the line. FWIW, I'm higher on Barton than JPJ. What separates the two is Barton both more versatile AND a better player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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