TransientTexan Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 5 minutes ago, incognito_man said: The reason, of course, is politics and not science. This is yet another lie. There are plenty of ways that this one was different than others. The timeframes used to test them. The methodologies used to test them. The degree of lethality or lack thereof for the condition they are meant to treat, especially for certain age groups. Not to mention the heap of negligence on the actions of the entities pushing them which calls their credibility into question (no vitamin-D PSA’s). The conflicts-of-interest present in many of the decision-makers pushing it, & the revolving-door between the pharms execs & the policy-maker positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 There have been years I didn't get a flu shot because it was inconvenient and I don't like being around people anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddfather Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, PossibleCabbage said: There have been years I didn't get a flu shot because it was inconvenient and I don't like being around people anyway. I never got it until they changed the rules that if we didn't get it we had to wear a mask for four months... Oh if I only knew what was around the corner lol. Now for some reason we don't have to get it, and if we don't we no longer have to wear a mask during those periods. Health care is a crazy *** world lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) It's amusing how it's just always projection with some folks as they keep replying like this meme: It's also amusing that they keep impotently and angrily replying to some of us who have had them blocked for the better part of the past 4 years. Edited March 14 by Striker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Striker Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 I wonder how long until the COVID/Vaccines Discussion Part 18 gets this thread locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 minutes ago, Toddfather said: I never got it until they changed the rules that if we didn't get it we had to wear a mask for four months... Oh if I only knew what was around the corner lol. Now for some reason we don't have to get it, and if we don't we no longer have to wear a mask during those periods. Health care is a crazy *** world lol the thing about the seasonal flu is that there are (I believe) alternative ways to mitigate both personal and societal risk (i.e. hygiene, masks, etc). And if those mitigations are in in the same ballpark for effectiveness, they should be just as acceptable. Vaccination is just a REALLY effective way to ensure some baseline of herd immunity. But if folks have a strong preference for taking mitigation into their own hands AND those methods are just as beneficial to society - of course that's a logical solution. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dubz41 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 2 hours ago, Old Guy said: The Flat Earth Society, they have supporters all around the globe. So does Frodo. Doesn't make it real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Aaron Rodgers is the ******* worst 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransientTexan Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 minutes ago, Striker said: It's amusing how it's just always projection with some folks. It's also amusing that they keep impotently and angrily replying to some of us who have had them blocked for the better part of the past 4 years. 🤣 says the dude with zero self-awareness. 🪞 What’s amusing is that you pretend that I am replying to deaf ears, yet you are obviously still reading what I am saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turf toe Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 37 minutes ago, MantyWrestler said: It's freedom of choice... freedom! They wanted people to be forced to take the shot just to walk around in public. Crazy! Most vaccines also take years to develop and are thoroughly tested before hand. There were also reports of people having terrible side affects and the government and companies were still basically saying, shut up and take the shot. This, from a guy who took the shot... why? I have a wife and family and needed my job. what about the freedom of others to live, and vaccines do not take years to develop, specially now with modern medicine, most never took long anyway and those reports where from people dedicated to smear this vaccine, minus 2/3rds of this country vaccinating and we'd have doubled or tripled the death count, and you took that shot to keep your family from getting covid as much or more then just keeping your job, come on, the jab saved a hell of a lot more then it ever harmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 1 minute ago, Norm said: Aaron Rodgers is the ******* worst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 40 minutes ago, MantyWrestler said: ok. Those in the military, could have refused... get kicked out, not be able to support your family... some choice. Many choose IRL over principle every day. I know that I do, to an extent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toddfather Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 5 minutes ago, incognito_man said: the thing about the seasonal flu is that there are (I believe) alternative ways to mitigate both personal and societal risk (i.e. hygiene, masks, etc). And if those mitigations are in in the same ballpark for effectiveness, they should be just as acceptable. Vaccination is just a REALLY effective way to ensure some baseline of herd immunity. But if folks have a strong preference for taking mitigation into their own hands AND those methods are just as beneficial to society - of course that's a logical solution. I agree, and I didn't avoid getting it out of any stance on it. It's just I work in a hospital surrounded by cough, and sneezes etc. I felt safe from the flu, therefore why take a vaccine away. The having to wear a mask for four months was a breaking point though, lol. I mean they were STRICKT on it. So if you can't beat them, join them I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatJerkDave Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 16 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Every year it costs about $90 billion to treat influenza https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1885332/#:~:text=The researchers estimated annual medical,is attributable to the deaths. Getting the vaccine can reduce your odds of contracting it by 60% https://www.uchicagomedicine.org/forefront/prevention-and-screening-articles/frequently-asked-questions-about-the-flu-vaccine So, if you're a fan of not wasting taxpayers money ($323 per taxpayer) it's a good idea. What if I have never gotten the flu? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bad Example Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) 41 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Vaccination is just a REALLY effective way to ensure some baseline of herd immunity. The thing I loved about the people who refused the vaccine due to "herd immunity" would always use diseases for which the vaccine rates were near-universal as their examples of herd immunity working Edited March 14 by Mr Bad Example 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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