fortdetroit Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, notthatbluestuff said: If Fields continues to play well, the Bears get what they want, don't they? Improvement. You think they drafted him hoping he'd suck so they can draft someone better? This thread: "haha Fields sucks!" *Fields starts to play better* "haha the Bears will keep him now and put more pieces around him!" In other words, there's nothing Fields can do to change people's minds now that they're already convinced he's terrible. He had a couple of good games, give the kid his flowers for now. If staring down his first read all night and mostly completing wide open passes against busted coverages of one of the worst defenses in the league means he’s now a good passing QB then I guess we’ll just have to disagree. If you think that’s worth a $50 million year and passing on Williams be my guest. He made a few nice passes last night but in large there wasn’t any high level diagnostic QB play. The way he plays isn’t sustainable long term and if you commit to his type of play you will regret it. Edited October 6, 2023 by fortdetroit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, fortdetroit said: If staring down his first read all night and mostly completing wide open passes against busted coverages of one of the worst defenses in the league means he’s now a good passing QB then I guess we’ll just have to disagree. If you think that’s worth a $50 million year and passing on Williams be my guest. He made a few nice passes last night but in large there wasn’t any high level diagnostic QB play. The way he plays isn’t sustainable long term and if you commit to his type of play you will regret it. Did I say that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 I think after the past couple of weeks there’s at least good cause for optimism regarding Fields. He has connected with Moore and at least done very well against a couple of bad defenses. He has been relatively lights out in the first half of the last two games and the staff has finally decided to let him run some. With a makeshift OL and backup C and LG who both clearly struggled, he did pretty well. That isn’t even counting that Chicago essentially didn’t even have a running back for the majority of the game to alleviate anything. Moore is legit, Kmet is a solid TE, and past that, Mooney is a good slot but didn’t look great at times. Yes, Fields was late on 2 throws and off on another towards the sideline at one point, but the first long pass that Mooney stopped and back pedaled on was squarely on him. Are we to the point where Fields is now a franchise quarterback? Of course not. Are we past the point of saying he needs benched for the rest of the season and we are giving up on him? Absolutely. Next week he gets a bad Minnesota defense. If he does to them what he’s done the last 2 weeks, that’s legitimate cause for optimism and reason to consider sticking with him for another year or two IF he continues to grow and do these things down the stretch. They still need another WR or 2, they still need a couple OL, and they need to address their lousy defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortdetroit Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 29 minutes ago, notthatbluestuff said: Did I say that? Ok so if his play the last few games doesn’t show he’s a good passing QB (in your mind) then what are we arguing about? That’s what you need to sustainably be a good QB in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 4 minutes ago, fortdetroit said: Ok so if his play the last few games doesn’t show he’s a good passing QB (in your mind) then what are we arguing about? That’s what you need to sustainably be a good QB in the league. Are you saying there’s not a lot of cause for optimism as opposed to 6 days ago? If so, that’s purely crazy talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortdetroit Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 23 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Are you saying there’s not a lot of cause for optimism as opposed to 6 days ago? If so, that’s purely crazy talk. No not really. It’s more of the same style of play for Fields which doesn’t work against competent defenses. Even the worst QBs in the league have good games throughout an entire season. Remember when Trubisky threw 6 TDs against the Bucs and tore up the Lions terrible D every single game? He’s bad and even he had a 6 game stretch his SECOND season of 19 TD/4 INT/114 rating. This is no different and time will show. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 37 minutes ago, MWil23 said: Are you saying there’s not a lot of cause for optimism as opposed to 6 days ago? If so, that’s purely crazy talk. Nope. Fields is what he is at this point. If you give him his first read more often then not he is accurate enough and has the arm to make that play 9/10. The problem with Fields will always be teams that take that first read away will cause him to melt and look thoroughly mediocre. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 14 minutes ago, fortdetroit said: No not really. It’s more of the same style of play for Fields which doesn’t work against competent defenses. Even the worst QBs in the league have good games throughout an entire season. Remember when Trubisky threw 6 TDs against the Bucs and tore up the Lions terrible D every single game? He’s bad and even he had a 6 game stretch his SECOND season of 19 TD/4 INT/114 rating. This is no different and time will show. 7 minutes ago, Spartacus said: Nope. Fields is what he is at this point. If you give him his first read more often then not he is accurate enough and has the arm to make that play 9/10. The problem with Fields will always be teams that take that first read away will cause him to melt and look thoroughly mediocre. You’re both free to think that and might be correct. You also both just described Josh Allen, Jared Goff, and a handful of other young quarterbacks who evolved and got better their 3rd year (or more). I think letting it play out down the stretch is wise. He’s younger and been in the league less time than Jordan Love, for example, and people are willing to give him time simply because he couldn’t get on the field and somehow folks think that’s better than in game live ammo experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank4Drake Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 22 minutes ago, Spartacus said: Nope. Fields is what he is at this point. If you give him his first read more often then not he is accurate enough and has the arm to make that play 9/10. The problem with Fields will always be teams that take that first read away will cause him to melt and look thoroughly mediocre. Agreed. Fields can’t go through reads. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fortdetroit Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 He still can’t work in the middle of the field. No idea how to link a Twitter picture, but see below. https://x.com/dave_bfr/status/1710142653889753467?s=46&t=kdjwjiwvnFyiHDRRzj-28g Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 8 hours ago, CWood21 said: Against the *checks notes* 32nd and 31st worst defenses in the league. Everything's looking Millhouse! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soggust Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 9 hours ago, CWood21 said: Against the *checks notes* 32nd and 31st worst defenses in the league. They only 31 and 32 because they ran into Fields 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Fields looks much better when the Bears are down by 21 in the first half. That’s not his game. I still think he’d be really good in a place like Tennessee or Atlanta. He needs a competent running game and defense to keep things close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Friend Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 4 hours ago, nagahide13 said: Wild that you think reading an NFL defense is a big ask for a QB They’ve never had a competent QB before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notthatbluestuff Posted October 6, 2023 Author Share Posted October 6, 2023 10 minutes ago, Louis Friend said: They’ve never had a competent QB before. I'm a Colts fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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