SteelKing728 Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 8 minutes ago, vike daddy said: that was your attitude toward Tarvaris Jackson too. Yeah and blind faith!😆 I mean, Sam Howell was nothing special in my view this year, but he showed more than TJack ever did lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 On 1/12/2024 at 2:44 PM, Captain Relax said: Other than Steve Young I can't name a wild, undisciplined QB, who learned to reign it in. I just don't think it's coaching. He is who is.  Brett Favre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Relax Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 2 hours ago, swede700 said: Brett Favre. You see, I would argue that Favre never reigned it in. His incredible arm allowed him to get away with things...sometimes. Because Favre had success playing with wild abandon, it became a model for some younger quarterbacks. However, very few of the new generation of gunslingers have arm talent that begins to approach Favre's. Exhibit A...Mullens. I want the quarterbacks thought process and football intelligence to match their arm talent. Very rarely can the quarterback who is an undisciplined gunslinger have success as a gunslinger (Favre) or learn to become a disciplined thrower of the ball (Steve Young.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 (edited) I can see that, but Favre did reign it in from a 4% interception rate in his 2nd yr starting to under 3% for most of the rest of his career. 🤣 It's amazing in considering the most wild version of QB we think of today is Stafford, and his INT rate is still only 2.4% for his career, which is 33rd overall. And for another one, Jameis Winston, whose % is only .1 percent higher than Favre, at 3.4%. For the record, there are 22 HOF QBs with a higher percentage of INTs than Favre ranging from Warren Moon at 3.4% to Bob Waterfield at 7.9%. Edited January 16 by swede700 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelKing728 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 22 hours ago, swede700 said: I can see that, but Favre did reign it in from a 4% interception rate in his 2nd yr starting to under 3% for most of the rest of his career. 🤣 It's amazing in considering the most wild version of QB we think of today is Stafford, and his INT rate is still only 2.4% for his career, which is 33rd overall. And for another one, Jameis Winston, whose % is only .1 percent higher than Favre, at 3.4%. For the record, there are 22 HOF QBs with a higher percentage of INTs than Favre ranging from Warren Moon at 3.4% to Bob Waterfield at 7.9%. Give Nick Mullens a 17 game season and he could probably break the all-time INT record in that timeframe lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshpit23 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 52 minutes ago, SteelKing728 said: Give Nick Mullens a 17 game season and he could probably break the all-time INT record in that timeframe lol Yeah, but he may also break to most total yards (Vikings) in a season. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Nick Mullens' career interception rate is equal to that of Tim Couch and Rodney Peete...and better than Fran Tarkenton, Dan Fouts and Bart Starr. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrplChilPill Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 2 minutes ago, swede700 said: Nick Mullens' career interception rate is equal to that of Tim Couch and Rodney Peete...and better than Fran Tarkenton, Dan Fouts and Bart Starr. Very different game now.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Relax Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Just now, swede700 said: Nick Mullens' career interception rate is equal to that of Tim Couch and Rodney Peete...and better than Fran Tarkenton, Dan Fouts and Bart Starr. As people have pointed out, very different eras. I wonder what kind of numbers those quarterbacks of the 60's and 70's had they played in the modern padding of passing stats? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 4 minutes ago, Captain Relax said: As people have pointed out, very different eras. I wonder what kind of numbers those quarterbacks of the 60's and 70's had they played in the modern padding of passing stats? Oh, I'm sure their stats would be significantly better than what they are...I was just pointing out the data. 🤣 It was also the day when CBs could actually touch WRs. Even Josh Freeman's career INT rate is lower than Mullens..😉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 (edited) Think what Fouts or Marino would do with today's rule structure... Edited January 17 by vike daddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marshpit23 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 3 hours ago, vike daddy said: Think what Fouts or Marino would do with today's rule structure... They would be shoo-ins for the hall of fame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Fobos Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 10 hours ago, swede700 said: Oh, I'm sure their stats would be significantly better than what they are...I was just pointing out the data. 🤣 It was also the day when CBs could actually touch WRs. Even Josh Freeman's career INT rate is lower than Mullens..😉 It's hard to intercept a pass that lands in the nosebleed section. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swede700 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 This guy has been hitting the dispensaries in CA, I guess...  Quote  Being an avid Vikings fan, I want to be the Vikings GM for a day. Justin Jefferson and Kirk Cousins are two players in which I believe we can only keep one. Justin, I would offer him a four-year contract for $114.5 million. The breakdown is the following 24.5, 28, 30 and 32 million. I would guarantee 90 million. Justin must sign this contract by March 1, 2024. This way, I would know how much money I would have to spend in free agency. If Justin doesn't sign, then he will play for 19.5 million for the 2024 season. In regards to Kirk Cousins, he will demand a three-year contract for 110 million guaranteed with a no-trade clause. Therefore, I am saying, 'Thanks, Kirk, for all you have done.' My starting quarterback for the 2024 Vikings will be one of the following three scenarios. I will sign free agent quarterback Jake Browning for three years for 20 million. The breakdown is the following 3, 7 and 10 million. I would guarantee 12 million. I believe Jake would adapt easily in Coach O'Connell's system. He played well this past year filling in for Joe Burrow. The QB rotation would be Browning/Mullens/Hall. This way, we can use our first two draft picks for defensive players. Trading a fifth-round pick for Zach Wilson. He has one year left on his rookie contract. See if a change of scenery will do well for him. I would still draft either [Michael Penix, Jr.] or Bo Nix in the first round. Therefore, my QB rotation would be Wilson/Mullens/Penix or Nix. Draft either Penix or Nix. The QB rotation would be Penix or Nix, Mullens and Hall. My goal here is to create enough cap space to improve the offensive line and defense for 2024. I believe we can still make the playoffs with a 10 and 7 record and move in the right direction for future Super Bowl champions. Go Vikings!  https://www.vikings.com/news/quarterback-driven-offseason-2024 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikesfan89 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2/3 of the fan base will riot if Browning is the QB next year. The rest will be excited that the one that got away returns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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