Kiwibrown Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, 4thandInches said: He’s made 175 mil in contracts, you really think a guy who was on his couch a month ago is chasing money/a new deal?! He couldn’t care less. Maybe he broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, BetterCallSaul said: Soooo these are all fun hypotheticals, but the Browns are far too injured to actually win the Super Bowl. That’s my team, but realistically, it would take a GD miracle for them to make it, letalone win. Get some charges to stick to leshaun and I'll see what I can do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Kiwibrown said: Maybe he broke. There was an interview where he said he doesn't even know how much money he's playing for on the Browns. Probably not the mentality of someone broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 5 hours ago, lancerman said: It also makes HOF discussions a lot more complicated. Especially concerning the hotly debated Eli Manning situation. If Flacco gets two rings all of a sudden you have a real discussion about whether that is enough to automatically get you in. And if they say no for Flacco it makes things a lot dicier for Eli and potentially even Ben (though I think Ben will ultimately get in regardless). Really??? I still can't see that happening. Eli and Ben at least to their credit have multiple Pro Bowls. Even as trivial as that might seem, a stack of them speak to some semblance of consistently perceived quality by the peanut gallery. Joe Flacco doesn't even have a single one. And if he gets his second ring, it would be coming off the bench. To me it's just a slightly more polished version of Jim Plunkett's career. And he has zero shot at a place in Canton himself. I think it's the same for Flacco. Maybe if he got three rings in this fashion it would complicate things for me. Now, a second ring or not it's still a slam dunk no for Flacco. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 2 hours ago, TecmoSuperJoe said: Really??? I still can't see that happening. Eli and Ben at least to their credit have multiple Pro Bowls. Even as trivial as that might seem, a stack of them speak to some semblance of consistently perceived quality by the peanut gallery. Joe Flacco doesn't even have a single one. And if he gets his second ring, it would be coming off the bench. To me it's just a slightly more polished version of Jim Plunkett's career. And he has zero shot at a place in Canton himself. I think it's the same for Flacco. Maybe if he got three rings in this fashion it would complicate things for me. Now, a second ring or not it's still a slam dunk no for Flacco. I think you are highly underestimating just how good Flacco was in the Super Bowl run in 2012. Dude had one of the greatest QB playoff runs ever. If he ends up doing that again, it's going to be really hard to put other guys in because of rings when Flacco was that much of a catalyst for his teams winning Super Bowls. Dude set the passing TD record for a single post season run and threw 0 INT's. It's going to be very hard for the voters to say him being the main reason his teams won isn't good enough and then looking at Ben and saying his rings get him in despite never playing all that well in those post seasons. Even Eli has 2011 and then was sort of carred by a much better defense in 2007. I don't think he gets in. My point is, he makes the arguments for other guys who are getting in primarily because of two rings a lot more contentious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, lancerman said: I think you are highly underestimating just how good Flacco was in the Super Bowl run in 2012. Dude had one of the greatest QB playoff runs ever. If he ends up doing that again, it's going to be really hard to put other guys in because of rings when Flacco was that much of a catalyst for his teams winning Super Bowls. Dude set the passing TD record for a single post season run and threw 0 INT's. It's going to be very hard for the voters to say him being the main reason his teams won isn't good enough and then looking at Ben and saying his rings get him in despite never playing all that well in those post seasons. Even Eli has 2011 and then was sort of carred by a much better defense in 2007. I don't think he gets in. My point is, he makes the arguments for other guys who are getting in primarily because of two rings a lot more contentious. Fair enough. I don't think those 4 games leapfrogs the majority of his body of work, or moves the needle for him or anybody else with a similar case. Like it hasn't for Simms (dynamite in '86 playoffs) or Plunkett (two rings). Anything can happen in three or four straight games. I feel the same about Eli Manning who I think would still have a stronger case than any of those guys, even if Flacco does it with two different teams. And I don't think Eli belongs either. Ben, I definitely do, as he was just the more consistently good player. Admittedly, I treat "winning", and just being "productive" more in the same realm, compared to others who might elevate the concept of just being a winner higher than overall productive seasons that don't lead to a championship. BTW, Joe Flacco didn't set the single postseason passing record for TDs. He tied Joe Montana, but Montana did it in 3 games instead of 4. Edited December 30, 2023 by TecmoSuperJoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXsteeler Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 18 hours ago, AkronsWitness said: He would probably retire and then I would have to hear "Joe Flacco would have make that pass" every time Watson throws an incompletion for the next 5 years further driving me into insanity. Do you really think he would retire when he could flip that into $30 million next year atleast? Maybe a 2 year $100m deal even with the right team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXsteeler Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 13 hours ago, 4thandInches said: He’s made 175 mil in contracts, you really think a guy who was on his couch a month ago is chasing money/a new deal?! He couldn’t care less. And yet he signed with the browns for $2.5m, use some critical thinking skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DawgX Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 14 hours ago, BetterCallSaul said: I thought Delpit was done…. Is Hurst coming back? He was a stud for us. I think the hope was for Delpit to be ready for the playoffs, but I don't know if that's a for sure thing or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 2 hours ago, TXsteeler said: 16 hours ago, 4thandInches said: He’s made 175 mil in contracts, you really think a guy who was on his couch a month ago is chasing money/a new deal?! He couldn’t care less. And yet he signed with the browns for $2.5m, use some critical thinking skills. This would sort of support the idea he's not in it for the money - I mean, there are punters and long snappers making more than Flacco right now. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 Question - if Flacco can lead Cleveland on a deep playoff run and/or Super Bowl, how do his HoF credentials change? This would be a resume that's similar to Kurt Warner, IMO. Not exactly the same (Warner was more impressive statistically I believe) but definitely a comparable situation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterCallSaul Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, ET80 said: Question - if Flacco can lead Cleveland on a deep playoff run and/or Super Bowl, how do his HoF credentials change? This would be a resume that's similar to Kurt Warner, IMO. Not exactly the same (Warner was more impressive statistically I believe) but definitely a comparable situation. Whoever gets the Browns to the Super Bowl at QB is a HOF’er. It doesn’t matter if it’s Nate Peterman. Auto HOF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 1 hour ago, ET80 said: Question - if Flacco can lead Cleveland on a deep playoff run and/or Super Bowl, how do his HoF credentials change? This would be a resume that's similar to Kurt Warner, IMO. Not exactly the same (Warner was more impressive statistically I believe) but definitely a comparable situation. Yep. He will go in as a Brown to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Kiwibrown said: Yep. He will go in as a Brown to. Did Warner go in as a Cardinal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August4th Posted December 30, 2023 Share Posted December 30, 2023 I've been imagining that in another universe, the browns signed the other recently retired SB winning QB from the AFC north lol imagine the reactions that would cause. I would be sick to my stomach tbh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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