jebrick Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 I agree with @goldfishwars. He makes some throws that I really like but I want to see more. I think he is taken in the 20s and sits for a year to figure out what you have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tugboat Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 7 hours ago, goldfishwars said: Yeah, his tape is weirdly impressive. He makes plays when he needs to, throws well over the middle of the field and can create out of structure (throw on the move etc). He's basically the inverse of Michael Penix in this draft, where you don't get anything from a creativity standpoint. Definitely feels like opposite sides of the same coin with Penix in that respect. With Penix...you have oodles of tape of him just throwing the ball all over the yard. Some of it's good, some of it's pretty bad but he gets away with a lot of it. But you see almost zero real improvisation and very little where he's even in real high pressure situations and moved off his spot and still delivers big clutch plays. Whereas with McCarthy...you have barely any tape of anything. But in that small sample, there are definitely some plays and throws that don't exist in Penix extensive tape. It's a weird one to deal with, but i can certainly see where that skews some people toward McCarthy. The guy who is much younger and hasn't necessarily shown that he can't make more of those "routine throws" with bigger volume. Whereas i think there's enough with Penix to surmise that he's going to be a pocket passer who you really need to protect well, and isn't going to give you a ton off schedule or under heavy duress. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, Tugboat said: But in that small sample, there are definitely some plays and throws that don't exist in Penix extensive tape. Which throws? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RedandPewterReturns Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 16 hours ago, Tugboat said: Definitely feels like opposite sides of the same coin with Penix in that respect. With Penix...you have oodles of tape of him just throwing the ball all over the yard. Some of it's good, some of it's pretty bad but he gets away with a lot of it. But you see almost zero real improvisation and very little where he's even in real high pressure situations and moved off his spot and still delivers big clutch plays. Whereas with McCarthy...you have barely any tape of anything. But in that small sample, there are definitely some plays and throws that don't exist in Penix extensive tape. It's a weird one to deal with, but i can certainly see where that skews some people toward McCarthy. The guy who is much younger and hasn't necessarily shown that he can't make more of those "routine throws" with bigger volume. Whereas i think there's enough with Penix to surmise that he's going to be a pocket passer who you really need to protect well, and isn't going to give you a ton off schedule or under heavy duress. McCarthy is going to be an upside pick. You seen him do it - while very little sample size but the argument for him is Harbaugh didn't need him to carry the offense. The run game at Michigan couldn't be stopped. McCarthy's ceiling starts at 8 in Atlanta. If they get Fields - I say it could be Minnesota, Denver, Seattle or Pittsburgh at the latest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NYRaider Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 On 2/17/2024 at 5:47 PM, Danger said: Just remember, it only takes one team to like a player like McCarthy for him to be taken really early It'd be such a Patriots move to take him #3 overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vike daddy Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 On 2/21/2024 at 4:55 AM, RedandPewterReturns said: McCarthy's ceiling starts at 8 in Atlanta. If they get Fields - I say it could be Minnesota, Denver, Seattle or Pittsburgh at the latest. Yes, please. Many of us like him a lot and feel we have the capital to go up from 11 and get him. He likes us too: JJ McCarthy, on meeting with the Vikings at the Combine: "It went amazing. Coach O'Connell led the whole thing, and just being able to see him in person, he was a lot taller than I thought. And coach McCown, just everything about what they were talking about, everything about what they wanted out of a quarterback, it's something that aligns with what I want. Just being able to get on the board with them, have them go through their plays, it was something really special and I enjoyed it." https://www.si.com/nfl/vikings/news/jj-mccarthy-michael-penix-jr-speak-highly-vikings-interviews Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 NFL decision-makers just soiled themselves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massraider Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 219 and 2 years younger than some of these guys. Can't really listen to the skinny talk now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Aren't those incredibly small hands or am I misremembering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 Just now, BobbyPhil1781 said: Aren't those incredibly small hands or am I misremembering? 9" seems to be the threshold for QB hand size. I'm surprised that his hands are that small since he cranks the ball far back in his release. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamq Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 55 minutes ago, BobbyPhil1781 said: Aren't those incredibly small hands or am I misremembering? Kenny Picketts hands were 8.5" Dak Prescott measured in at 6'2" 226 lbs and 10" hands 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 2 minutes ago, adamq said: Kenny Picketts hands were 8.5" Dak Prescott measured in at 6'2" 226 lbs and 10" hands Probably why Pickett has to wear gloves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted March 2 Share Posted March 2 58 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: 9" seems to be the threshold for QB hand size. I'm surprised that his hands are that small since he cranks the ball far back in his release. I always thought like 9 1/2 was the "average" size but like I said, I could be misremembering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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