NCOUGHMAN Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, Jeremy408 said: That's another example of how the quarterback position is just naturally overpaid so to be able to get someone that can start for only 5 million more is actually pretty good Exactly that’s the market and you can argue garner is way more accomplished Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 5 hours ago, big_palooka said: No issue with Jacobs, don't pay RBs with a lot of miles. You can find serviceable guys anywhere. Elu was a mid OT. A day 3 rookie in this class can replicate his impact at a fraction of the cost with more potential upside. Good point. If we roll into the year with Minshew as the starter though lord help us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 If we didn't have AOC I would love this move. High-end #2 and capable spot starter. However I am a little confused as to how our FO envisions things playing out with Farva. I feel like if he is relegated to #3 it's a waste of space, his development and reps would be next to nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big_palooka Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, NickButera said: Plan C. No one's there at the end of the first, we roll into 2024 with scrubs at QB and a downgraded offense compared to last year and don't put up 17 points a game. I see this as a possibility. There were more than a few teams that got stuck in this exact position this year, and I think QBs will fly off the board because of it. This is my fear as well. The music stops and the Raiders are stuck with Minshew and AOC pretty much signaling a .500 season and stuck in the same spot again. The window with Adams is now. They need to make a move. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted March 12 Author Share Posted March 12 Nothing to really fear here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 hours ago, big_palooka said: This is my fear as well. The music stops and the Raiders are stuck with Minshew and AOC pretty much signaling a .500 season and stuck in the same spot again. The window with Adams is now. They need to make a move. People are being overly optimistic about the possibility of going into next year with Minshew or AOC starting with a brand new system and a new OC in place. Guarantee it will not be running on all cylinders because of QB limitations, or players still learning the new system, or the system hasn't had time to be fully implemented yet, our running game isn't as explosive, we're relying on rookies on the O-line.... etc etc. Trading up and getting a rookie QB suddenly gives hope, and grace if we're not great in his year 1. But if we bail on drafting a QB high it just shows we're taking a year to continue to build the base of the team. Which simply isn't as exciting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, NickButera said: People are being overly optimistic about the possibility of going into next year with Minshew or AOC starting with a brand new system and a new OC in place. Guarantee it will not be running on all cylinders because of QB limitations, or players still learning the new system, or the system hasn't had time to be fully implemented yet, our running game isn't as explosive, we're relying on rookies on the O-line.... etc etc. Trading up and getting a rookie QB suddenly gives hope, and grace if we're not great in his year 1. But if we bail on drafting a QB high it just shows we're taking a year to continue to build the base of the team. Which simply isn't as exciting. Our fan base for whatever reason seems to love mid level QBs. If they pass on acquiring a rookie QB just kind of shows they're not serious about competing. This could very well be Adams/Meyers last year with the team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massraider Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 16 minutes ago, NickButera said: Trading up and getting a rookie QB suddenly gives hope, and grace if we're not great in his year 1. But if we bail on drafting a QB high it just shows we're taking a year to continue to build the base of the team. Which simply isn't as exciting. I think the worst case for the Minshew signing is if we DON'T get our guy at QB. I expect us to make a move, or try and make a move. If they cannot, which is always possible, AOC and Minshew are fallback for the season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 3 minutes ago, massraider said: I think the worst case for the Minshew signing is if we DON'T get our guy at QB. I expect us to make a move, or try and make a move. If they cannot, which is always possible, AOC and Minshew are fallback for the season. I would be furious if that happened. Especially given last year, "we tried to trade up but it cost too much" and we get to see Stroud compete for league MVP half the year. .....then we have to watch the same song and dance this year? I'd rather pull the trigger and actually pretend like we care about trying to be an elite team than sit on the sidelines again complaining about the cost. "We tried and failed" is infinitely better than "We tried but didn't actually do anything." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BackinBlack Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 44 minutes ago, NYRaider said: Our fan base for whatever reason seems to love mid level QBs. If they pass on acquiring a rookie QB just kind of shows they're not serious about competing. This could very well be Adams/Meyers last year with the team Coming from the guy who loved Jimmy. my point is Gardner is miles better than Jimmy. Jimmy started what 10 games for us last year? We improved from last year. is Gardner the answer, no. But he is milessss better than Jimmy. Careful laughing at fans for love mid tier qbs… you literally LOVED a pile of trash 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, BackinBlack said: Coming from the guy who loved Jimmy. my point is Gardner is miles better than Jimmy. Jimmy started what 10 games for us last year? We improved from last year. is Gardner the answer, no. But he is milessss better than Jimmy. Careful laughing at fans for love mid tier qbs… you literally LOVED a pile of trash Jimmy G led a team to the Super Bowl Minshew is 15-22 as a starter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddevil Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 hour ago, NickButera said: I would be furious if that happened. Especially given last year, "we tried to trade up but it cost too much" and we get to see Stroud compete for league MVP half the year. .....then we have to watch the same song and dance this year? I'd rather pull the trigger and actually pretend like we care about trying to be an elite team than sit on the sidelines again complaining about the cost. "We tried and failed" is infinitely better than "We tried but didn't actually do anything." They are 100% gonna throw as much as they can to try and move up to get their guy. But it’s not that simple. There is a world where none of the top 3 are willing to move. Like period, regardless of the offer. And that the Chargers make a deal with Minn for McCarthy (can you see Harbs dealing with us over them for his golden boy?). All the noise that has been coming out and now couple it with the Minshew signing and all signs point to then doing everything they can to move up. But that doesn’t mean it will happen… 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickButera Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 8 minutes ago, reddevil said: They are 100% gonna throw as much as they can to try and move up to get their guy. But it’s not that simple. There is a world where none of the top 3 are willing to move. Like period, regardless of the offer. And that the Chargers make a deal with Minn for McCarthy (can you see Harbs dealing with us over them for his golden boy?). All the noise that has been coming out and now couple it with the Minshew signing and all signs point to then doing everything they can to move up. But that doesn’t mean it will happen… This is true. I don't think top 3 or bust this year either, I just think more of "if we get the last guy available, that sucks". If we trade up because we think Penix or McCarthy is "that guy" I'd be happy. And it's like AP said, everyone has their price. We can get it done somewhere in the top 5-7 teams I'm sure of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrOaktown_56 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Structured as a 1 year deal? That seems good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersForever Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 This shouldn't (and probably won't) keep the FO from trying to get their guy at QB in the Draft, but part of me is wondering if the backup plan is to build up the rest of the team now and sell out to get a QB in 2025. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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