HoboRocket Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 15 hours ago, FalconFan13 said: Any QB in this draft could be the new ridder so yes Penix could be as could Caleb lol. It's always a 50/50 chance what QB's succeed and which ones don't. The one good thing i think Penix has going for him is he won't be thrust into a tough situation and have to handle the entire teams load his rookie year. He can learn from a top tier mind at the QB position for 2 years. Plus he has alot of really good young weapons and a upper tier o-line already built around him. So if he can't succeed with that then he wasn't going to succeed at all imo. But Penix was my @#2 qb in this class behind Jayden Daniels so i have as much hope in him to be really good as anyone. For the most part i see what they were trying to do even though it did hurt us something in the short term for this season. I fully believe they think they have a team that can win the division right now with Kirk Cousins who is a regular season stud almost everywhere he has went. If the same is true here then you will be picking around 18 to 32 in the next 2 years. Those are the 2 years you would need to be looking for a Kirk successor in the top of the draft. Which means to get into the top 5 from 18 to 32 you are going to have to give up an absolute FORTUNE in picks to get your next QB. Think what the Panthers gave up for Young and maybe even more to go that high. This draft was considered a elite level QB class and much better talent than the next 2 years or so are supposed to be. So they bit the bullet now on their guy while they had a top 8 pick to get him in Penix with just 1 pick. Instead of giving up multiple 1sts and 2nd's to move up in a year or 2 to go after a lesser talented QB class. As said it sucks we missed out on a good edge rusher this year in round 1 but that might work out in our favor 2 years from now when we don't have to give up multiple high picks over 2 drafts. Which would hurt way more than 1 edge rusher miss now. I mean heck with the picks you save next year you could easily throw them at a player like Burns, Hendrickson etc... like came available this year. For whatever edge guys come available next year. To make up for the guy you passed on at 8 this year. I actually really appreciate your detailed and well thought-out response. Insightful comments like this are why I use this site, even when I don't agree with all the points made. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 17 minutes ago, HoboRocket said: I actually really appreciate your detailed and well thought-out response. Insightful comments like this are why I use this site, even when I don't agree with all the points made. I appreciate that Hobo and i know everyone won't agree with what i said and thats understandable too. I see it from both sides and how both sides could be a positive and a negative. So i really can't hate the pick but i don't absolutely love it either. I tell you what though if the man ends up being a 10+ year franchise guy who takes us to alot of playoffs and SB's. Then i don't think anyone will give a crap what we did this offseason with kirk or penix lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 11 hours ago, Rich7sena said: Okay, so I've come around a little bit to this pick and succumbed to the pro-Atlanta propaganda. It's realistic to think that Cousins has about 2 years left of top 15 play. Cousins is old, coming off a serious injury, and was never an elite player to start. His contract is effectively a 2-year deal with most of his guarantee being exhausted by year 3. He has a no-trade clause, so they would probably have to cut him if they wanted to pivot toward Penix in year 3. Exactly. Give this man 100 mil guaranteed and a no trade. 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 7 hours ago, Daniel said: It’s either a bad draft choice or a bad free agency choice. Possibly both. Yes. Bad process. 6 hours ago, scar988 said: Listen, I don’t love the move. The signing of Kirk is more egregious at this point than the drafting of Penix tho. 100% 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 I think they are hedging their bets that Cousins never really recovers from the Achilles injury, and even if he does he will only be on the Falcons for 2 more years. If Penix sucks, they can bring him back for a 3rd year but the Cousins contract is really a 3 year deal. Like the Falcons have been in QB purgatory for a while, and I think they've decided they don't want to be there anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 14 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Exactly. Give this man 100 mil guaranteed and a no trade. 😆 He's a perennial Pro Bowler. I think effectively a 2-year deal with $35 million dead cap if he's cut in 2026 (when the cap will be flirting with $300 million) isn't unreasonable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 5 hours ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: And like I said it is a lot deeper than just the 8th overall pick. I am also mostly criticizing the process here and not necessarily the results. I also don't think it is a forgone conclusion they just run away with that division. On paper are they the best team? Sure, but I think the Bucs and Saints got a lot better in the draft compared to what ATL did. I also don't think there is any chance they are beating multiple of the top teams in the NFC unless there are some massive injuries that shake up the conference. Like if I am looking at the Niners, Lions, Cowboys, and Eagles... you think they are beating two of those teams(likely with at least one game on the road) to make it to the SB? No shot. Tampa will be in year 2 of having their QB and they are bringing everyone back. Carolina spent a lot in offseason and are bringing in 11 new starters. They won’t be a super easy gimmie again. Saints will be in year 2 with their QB as well and are also bringing everyone back. It’s not super strong division, but Atl isn’t super strong team either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 1 minute ago, Rich7sena said: He's a perennial Pro Bowler. I think effectively a 2-year deal with $35 million dead cap if he's cut in 2026 (when the cap will be flirting with $300 million) isn't unreasonable. We’ll see. In his prime he wasn’t good enough with some stacked teams. He isn’t that big, has been banged up in recent years and is plus 35. I think he will have some very good games, but there will be some disappointment along way too. I highly doubt you get a full season and playoffs out of him. Not healthy anyway. Brady playing well into older years was still an exception and not the new rule I think. Also, what happens if he has a bad game? Two? Three? What if he gets hurt for a game and rookie shows promise? The fans going to want the rookie? How is that going to affect the locker room? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr A W Niloc Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Two unequivocal messages are coming from the Falcons: 1. Atlanta has no expectation Kirk Cousins will get and remain healthy; and, 2. (it may be to an audience of one but) Desmond Ridder isn't a QB2, let alone a starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 6 minutes ago, dll2000 said: We’ll see. In his prime he wasn’t good enough with some stacked teams. He isn’t that big, has been banged up in recent years and is plus 35. I think he will have some very good games, but there will be some disappointment along way too. I highly doubt you get a full season and playoffs out of him. Not healthy anyway. Brady playing well into older years was still an exception and not the new rule I think. Also, what happens if he has a bad game? Two? Three? What if he gets hurt for a game and rookie shows promise? The fans going to want the rookie? How is that going to affect the locker room? Sounds like you are making the case for the Penix pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 6 minutes ago, Dr A W Niloc said: Two unequivocal messages are coming from the Falcons: 1. Atlanta has no expectation Kirk Cousins will get and remain healthy; and, 2. (it may be to an audience of one but) Desmond Ridder isn't a QB2, let alone a starter. Ridder is in Arizona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PossibleCabbage Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 Like realistically- QB purgatory is a bad place to be, and there's no obvious way out of it. Signing Cousins might not get you out of QB purgatory (he'll be 36 years old, coming off a major injury, and has never been "elite".) Drafting a QB might not get you out of it (there's no guarantee any QB from any draft is going to be good). But if you do both, you have better odds of getting out of QB purgatory. I think the Falcons are less concerned about being "championship contenders" and more concerned about "let's get out of QB purgatory." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scar988 Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 31 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: He's a perennial Pro Bowler. I think effectively a 2-year deal with $35 million dead cap if he's cut in 2026 (when the cap will be flirting with $300 million) isn't unreasonable. And if they June 1 it, it’s only a $22.5M hit in 26 and a 12.5M hit in 27. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Tso Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 I'm curious what the discourse of the Jordan Love pick was here. I hope it's the same arguments people are making now. It was a waste of a resource for a team that just made the NFCCG By the time Love is starting, you waste 2+ years of his rookie contract Do people look in hindsight and still think those things? Will people think those things if Penix takes over in 2026 and he's good? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 29 Share Posted April 29 16 minutes ago, General Tso said: I'm curious what the discourse of the Jordan Love pick was here. I hope it's the same arguments people are making now. It was a waste of a resource for a team that just made the NFCCG By the time Love is starting, you waste 2+ years of his rookie contract Do people look in hindsight and still think those things? Will people think those things if Penix takes over in 2026 and he's good? Perhaps they could have gotten a player that took them to a Super Bowl win? We will never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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