lancerman Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Forge said: and I could make the argument that you can replace Brady with any of those comparable quarterbacks like Rodgers, Manning, Young, etc etc etc and the Pats have the same amount of super bowls if not go 7-0. Arguments are fun when you can make a completely baseless claim with nothing to back it up but your own opinion. Not a chance they would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celestial Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 6 minutes ago, Forge said: and I could make the argument that you can replace Brady with any of those comparable quarterbacks like Rodgers, Manning, Young, etc etc etc and the Pats have the same amount of super bowls if not go 7-0. Arguments are fun when you can make a completely baseless claim with nothing to back it up but your own opinion. I disagree that it's a completely baseless claim to say Brady is better than Peyton Manning and Steve Young. Peyton Manning's career Adjusted Yards per Attempt is only 7.6 whereas Brady's career AYA is 8.4 AYA. Brady is on another tier to Peyton Manning in terms of QB efficiency. A difference in almost 1 yard in AYA is massive in terms of QB ability. The only QB who compares is Rodgers, like I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossburg Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, showtime said: He's definitely not a great coach, but this thread is just wrong. "Pittsburgh isn't good because of Tomlin"... Well they are a good team and have been since he's been there. The Cowher talk isn't valid because he has won another Superbowl after the first one. Today, the Steelers defense was very very bad. I think Tomlin deserves some blame, but you can't put that all on one guy. Also, every time someone brings up something about a coach or quarterback being terrible, I ask one question... Who would you realistically replace him with that is better? Exactly. People think because someone hires Sean McVay and he transforms a team it's easy. Coaches like that are more likely to flame out than anything. Tomlin deserves plenty of blame, but other than the Pats, the Steelers are the most consistent franchise in the league. Yea he has the talent, but so do others. Even if you think he's not utilizing the talent to the fullest and can do better (which is a perfectly legit argument IMO), doesn't mean he's a turd who needs to be canned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, lancerman said: Not a chance they would. Except you can't prove that, no more than I can prove that they could go 7-0. It's not a slam on Brady. That's kind of my point. He's saying anyone could do what BB could do with Brady, I don't agree. I'm trying to show the fallacy in that argument by suggesting that BB could do even better with someone else other than Brady. Yes, BB has had a great quarterback...but 5 super bowl wins makes it not really comparable to the others who have had 1 is my other point, because others have had great quarterbacks as well, and there are a very limited number of coaches who have won multiple super bowls with them, much less 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, celestial said: I disagree that it's a completely baseless claim to say Brady is better than Peyton Manning and Steve Young. Peyton Manning's career Adjusted Yards per Attempt is only 7.6 whereas Brady's career AYA is 8.4 AYA. Brady is on another tier to Peyton Manning statistically. Where are you getting 8.4? Leaders Rank Player AY/A Years Tm 1 Aaron Rodgers 8.43 2005-2017 gnb 2 Russell Wilson 8.07 2012-2017 sea 3 Otto Graham+ 7.99 1946-1955 cle 4 Steve Young+ 7.94 1985-1999 2TM 5 Tony Romo 7.81 2004-2016 dal 6 Tom Brady 7.80 2000-2017 nwe 7 Ben Roethlisberger 7.67 2004-2017 pit 8 Philip Rivers 7.66 2004-2017 sdg 9 Peyton Manning 7.61 1998-2015 2TM 10 Kurt Warner+ 7.55 1998-2009 3TM 11 Drew Brees 7.53 2001-2017 2TM 12 Kirk Cousins 7.50 2012-2017 was 13 Matt Ryan 7.39 2008-2017 atl 14 Joe Montana+ 7.37 1979-1994 2TM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLambert58 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Asciimo said: tomlin is a terrible coach still riding the laurels of his 1 SB won with cowher's team GTFOH. He hasn't had a losing season in his first 11 years as NFL head coach. Get a clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, wackywabbit said: I see much worse clock management on a weekly basis in the nfl and it's something that I really focus too much on. There was some bad execution by the players. Awful onside kick and Ben not throwing quick passes on the goal line on the last drive. If that's the justification for this thread, that's pretty weak. There's a big difference between poor coaching and poor execution and some people have a hard time balancing that. Anytime things go bad it's just easy for them to point at the coaching instead holding the players accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
celestial Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Forge said: Where are you getting 8.4? Passes Completed Pass Attempts Passing Yards Passing Touchdowns Passer Rating Longest Pass Passes Intercepted Passing Yards per Game Yards per Pass Attempt Yards per Pass Completion Pass Attempts per Game Adjusted Yards per Pass Attempt Net Yards per Pass Attempt Adjusted Net Yards per Pass Attempt Passes Completed per Game Pass Completion % Pass Interception % Passing Touchdown % Fourth Quarter Comebacks Rushing Attempts Rushing Yards Rushing Touchdowns Longest Rush Yards per Rushing Attempt Rushing Yards per Game Receptions Receiving Yards Receiving Touchdowns Long Reception Yards per Reception Receiving Yards per Game Touchdowns Points Scored Rushing & Receiving Touchdowns Non-Offensive Touchdowns Yards From Scrimmage All-Purpose Yards Total Offense Touches Yards per Touch Kick Returns Kick Return Yards Kick Returns for Touchdown Longest Kick Returns Yards per Kick Return Punt Returns Punt Return Yards Punt Returns for Touchdown Longest Punt Return Yards per Punt Return Kick & Punt Returns Kick & Punt Return Yards Extra Points Made Extra Point Attempts Total Field Goals Made Field Goal Attempts Field Goal % Punts Punting Yards Longest Punt Punts Blocked Yards per Punt Fumbles Fumbles Recovered Fumble Return Yards Fumble Return TD Interceptions Interception Return Yards Interception Returns for Touchdown Longest interception return Safeties Single Season Career 2017 2016 2015 2014 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997 1996 1995 1994 1993 1992 1991 1990 1989 1988 1987 1986 1985 1984 1983 1982 1981 1980 1979 1978 1977 1976 1975 1974 1973 1972 1971 1970 1969 1968 1967 1966 1965 1964 1963 1962 1961 1960 1959 1958 1957 1956 1955 1954 1953 1952 1951 1950 1949 1948 1947 1946 1945 1944 1943 1942 1941 1940 1939 1938 1937 1936 1935 1934 1933 1932 1931 1930 1929 1928 1927 1926 1925 1924 1923 1922 1921 1920 Leaders Rank Player AY/A Years Tm 1 Aaron Rodgers 8.43 2005-2017 gnb 2 Russell Wilson 8.07 2012-2017 sea 3 Otto Graham+ 7.99 1946-1955 cle 4 Steve Young+ 7.94 1985-1999 2TM 5 Tony Romo 7.81 2004-2016 dal 6 Tom Brady 7.80 2000-2017 nwe 7 Ben Roethlisberger 7.67 2004-2017 pit 8 Philip Rivers 7.66 2004-2017 sdg 9 Peyton Manning 7.61 1998-2015 2TM 10 Kurt Warner+ 7.55 1998-2009 3TM 11 Drew Brees 7.53 2001-2017 2TM 12 Kirk Cousins 7.50 2012-2017 was 13 Matt Ryan 7.39 2008-2017 atl 14 Joe Montana+ 7.37 1979-1994 2TM Whoops, I misread it. Brady's AYA this year is 8.4, his career is 7.8, still higher than Peyton but not as high. My argument doesn't change though. Peyton was never as good as Brady in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 I don't think that highly of Tomlin as a coach, but he's been the HC for 11 years now, how can anyone say he's riding the coat tails of his 1st Superbowl? Sure, he inherited a great roster with lots of talent. That talent is gone and Pittsburgh still dominates the AFC North and has some of the most talented players in the NFL. If you want to see what it actually looks like for a coach to inherit talent and then when that talent leaves, the team evaporates into nothing, just take a look at the Baltimore Ravens since they lost Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. Harbaugh has coached that team into the ground. So while I don't think Tomlin is that great of a coach, there's a lot of overreactions in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Darth Pees said: I don't think that highly of Tomlin as a coach, but he's been the HC for 11 years now, how can anyone say he's riding the coat tails of his 1st Superbowl? Sure, he inherited a great roster with lots of talent. That talent is gone and Pittsburgh still dominates the AFC North and has some of the most talented players in the NFL. If you want to see what it actually looks like for a coach to inherit talent and then when that talent leaves, the team evaporates into nothing, just take a look at the Baltimore Ravens since they lost Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. Harbaugh has coached that team into the ground. So while I don't think Tomlin is that great of a coach, there's a lot of overreactions in this thread. So you like Flacco and dislike Harbaugh, or do I have the wrong guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TecmoSuperJoe Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 18 minutes ago, lancerman said: Not a chance they would. Different situation. Different organization. Different coach. Different era of football. You don't know what BB would have have done with a 23 year old Marino or Montana in 2001 onward in this era. Just like we don't know what Tom Brady would have been like in Tampa Bay under Rich McKay and Hugh Cluverhouse as an owner in the 1980's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 11 minutes ago, celestial said: Whoops, I misread it. Brady's AYA this year is 8.4, his career is 7.8, still higher than Peyton but not as high. My argument doesn't change though. Peyton was never as good as Brady in the playoffs. Maybe he would have been with better coaching like BB and his staff at various points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INbengalfan Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Oh boy, Steeler distress is fun. Actually this is what happens when a team re-invents itself over time to overcome a specific rival. The Steelers evolved to try to get past the Pats. Problem is, with a different roster look, they were susceptible to this kind of match-up, and ther Jags exploited the mismatch.....twice. Then you throw in a total lack of focus on the task at hand. I heard a lot about the match up with the Pats like it was a foregone conclusion. You had the Bell/franchise tag distraction, though it was a reporter that brought it up. You also the media blow off the last meeting but little to no talk of staying focused on the Jags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancerman Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Forge said: Maybe he would have been with better coaching like BB and his staff at various points Nope Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Just now, lancerman said: Nope Prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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