Superman(DH23) Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Just now, Bullet Club said: He absolutely does. Sam Darnold has a really strong arm, better accuracy and can throw on the move better. He wouldn't miss the easy ones nearly as much either. Wyoming would absolutely be a better team with Sam Darnold. No, Darnold does not have a really strong arm. Hes got a good arm. He has an nfl arm, but Darnolds arm is very average in the nfl. Allen is likely to be the strongest armed qb in the nfl the moment he steps on the field. And no Darnold does not throw better on the run. Nobody in this class throws the ball on the run from multiple platforms as well as Allen. There is a reason why teams are so high on Allen and its not just bc of arm strength. One scout was quoted as saying that Allens completion % is the most deceiving stat in the draft. That if he had even average talent around him he easily would have been a 60+% thrower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said: No, Darnold does not have a really strong arm. Hes got a good arm. He has an nfl arm, but Darnolds arm is very average in the nfl. Allen is likely to be the strongest armed qb in the nfl the moment he steps on the field. And no Darnold does not throw better on the run. Nobody in this class throws the ball on the run from multiple platforms as well as Allen. There is a reason why teams are so high on Allen and its not just bc of arm strength. One scout was quoted as saying that Allens completion % is the most deceiving stat in the draft. That if he had even average talent around him he easily would have been a 60+% thrower. It's really strong for college which is all that matters in your scenario. He definitely throws better on the run because he hits his targets far more consistently. You're trying to make the argument that Josh Allen was a better college football player than Sam Darnold because he's toolsy and that's insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldfishwars Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Superman(DH23) said: No, Darnold does not have a really strong arm. Hes got a good arm. He has an nfl arm, but Darnolds arm is very average in the nfl. Allen is likely to be the strongest armed qb in the nfl the moment he steps on the field. And no Darnold does not throw better on the run. Nobody in this class throws the ball on the run from multiple platforms as well as Allen. There is a reason why teams are so high on Allen and its not just bc of arm strength. One scout was quoted as saying that Allens completion % is the most deceiving stat in the draft. That if he had even average talent around him he easily would have been a 60+% thrower. Man that poor surrounding talent seems to have dogged him from JUCO where had a sub 50% completion rate and again in his first year as a starter where four of his teammates went to the NFL. Someone get Josh Allen some supporting talent, please. He’s starving out here. Thank God the Browns, Bills and Jets are interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 10 minutes ago, Scout said: Darnold still has a lower INT % than Allen. And he's exponentially more accurate. I think he's an NFL starter but I don't see a special one. Unless you are a trainer/doctor at UCLA or have read his medical report from the combine I don't know how you can comment on Rosen's durability without that piece of context. I think he's a top 12 NFL QB. Baker Mayfield is the best QB prospect in the idk how many years. Better than Wentz and Luck. He's going to win multiple MVP's. You comment on his "offense leading to wide open throws" but he had the best accuracy on tight window throws in the class per PFF. Rosen, im referring to his inability to move out of the pocket. And how many tight window throws did Mayfield throw? Bc EVERY throw Allen threw this year was a tight window throw, with most of them being nonexistent window throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breesus mode Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 I don't care how awful his team was, you just have to do better than he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 Darnold wasn’t exactly playing with superb talent this year... Not that Allen’s cast was good. But saying a good supporting cast would increase his completion percentage is lazy - you know what else would increase his completion percentage? Hitting easy throws. I’m not even a person hung up on the number, he just misses more throws (mainly easy ones) than any of the other top guys IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#39 Fan Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 He’d be 5th on my board if I needed a QB Mayfield Darnold/Rosen LJ Allen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamcanadian Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 14 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: No, Darnold does not have a really strong arm. Hes got a good arm. He has an nfl arm, but Darnolds arm is very average in the nfl. Allen is likely to be the strongest armed qb in the nfl the moment he steps on the field. And no Darnold does not throw better on the run. Nobody in this class throws the ball on the run from multiple platforms as well as Allen. There is a reason why teams are so high on Allen and its not just bc of arm strength. One scout was quoted as saying that Allens completion % is the most deceiving stat in the draft. That if he had even average talent around him he easily would have been a 60+% thrower. I have to disagree, Darnold already has an above average arm and is quite capable of fitting a ball into a tight window. He does have some mechanical problems with a long loopy throwing motion, but he has already shown an ability to tighten it up quite a bit and once he learns like a lot of college QB prospects, to better use his weight transfer, his velocity will increase even more. The only real concern about him is his fumbling, if he can cure that, he will be a very solid franchise QB. I do agree that Allen played with a weak receiving core and it likely affected his completion average, how much nobody knows and he did not play against very many strong teams, so it is still a huge question mark. Allen still needs a lot of work on his touch throws, although he has shown the ability to change speeds, and there are times when he really locks on to his initial receiver. He is still a work in progress with immense upside and it is going to take him some time to put all his talents together and a team will have to have patience with him till he fully develops. Darnold will start by game 8 at the latest and there is very little he needs to change to be successful by year 2 and I believe that is why in the end, he will be the first QB drafted, as Cleveland, Hue and Dorsey, need results very quickly to survive!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 For all the overstating people have done to disparage Allen's accuracy, his arm gets elevated proportionally as much. Allen has a strong arm, for sure, but it isn't arm strength we haven't seen before, and he certainly doesn't have a stronger arm than some current NFL starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 21 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: For all the overstating people have done to disparage Allen's accuracy, his arm gets elevated proportionally as much. Allen has a strong arm, for sure, but it isn't arm strength we haven't seen before, and he certainly doesn't have a stronger arm than some current NFL starters. Yes, yes he does. Its Brett Favre level arm srength. There is a serious possibility he will have the strongest arm in the NFL the moment he steps on the field. They clocked his ball speed at 74.3 mph on release. Kaep was 57 mph, Ryan Mallett was 58 mph, Cam was 56 mph. Let that all sink in for a second. 3 of the top arms we've seen come out in recent years are nearly 20 mph slower than Allen. Allen achieves speeds typically only seen by place kickers. Its stupid arm talent and puts him on another level. Its why he could have some success throwing into mostly nonexistant windows. Edit: I found Favre's ball was clocked at 63 mph, and anecdotally Rod Smith said they would turn up the Jugs machine to 70 to simulate Elways throws. So maybe we've seen a similar arm before but its truly generational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mox Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 2 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: Yes, yes he does. Its Brett Favre level arm srength. There is a serious possibility he will have the strongest arm in the NFL the moment he steps on the field. They clocked his ball speed at 74.3 mph on release. Kaep was 57 mph, Ryan Mallett was 58 mph, Cam was 56 mph. Let that all sink in for a second. 3 of the top arms we've seen come out in recent years are nearly 20 mph slower than Allen. Allen achieves speeds typically only seen by place kickers. Its stupid arm talent and puts him on another level. Its why he could have some success throwing into mostly nonexistant windows. Edit: I found Favre's ball was clocked at 63 mph, and anecdotally Rod Smith said they would turn up the Jugs machine to 70 to simulate Elways throws. So maybe we've seen a similar arm before but its truly generational. I read it was 66.1 or 62. Still incredible but not close to what you posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Bullet Club said: I read it was 66.1 or 62. Still incredible but not close to what you posted. The soul & science that aired 2 days ago was 74.3. His qb coach said he thought it was at least 70, even at 66 the difference is still outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nastradamus Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 21 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said: No, Darnold does not have a really strong arm. Hes got a good arm. He has an nfl arm, but Darnolds arm is very average in the nfl. Allen is likely to be the strongest armed qb in the nfl the moment he steps on the field. And no Darnold does not throw better on the run. Nobody in this class throws the ball on the run from multiple platforms as well as Allen. There is a reason why teams are so high on Allen and its not just bc of arm strength. One scout was quoted as saying that Allens completion % is the most deceiving stat in the draft. That if he had even average talent around him he easily would have been a 60+% thrower. It has been highly demonstrated at this point that his completion percentage has absolutely zero to do with his supporting cast. He is simply inaccurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KhanYouDigIt Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 i could complete more than 50% of my passes in community college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 7 minutes ago, Nastradamus said: It has been highly demonstrated at this point that his completion percentage has absolutely zero to do with his supporting cast. He is simply inaccurate. And where is this demonstration at? The one time we have seen Allen play with other NFL caliber talent (and against nfl talent) he went 9-13 (69%) with 2 tds (and a couple of the best touch tds you'll ever see at that). Yes its a small sample size but thats all we have with legit talent around him. Thats the only demonstration we have on the field and holds a lot more credence in the argument than "nah-uh" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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