Skins212689 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Skinsin2013 said: Who cares if Beal wants to be here or not? How does that impact trade value? Again, the Wiz are in flux... extending Beal doesn't make any sense. Trading him, and netting/using first rounders, does. Too many fans catch feelings. It's not about feelings, its about replacing his talent. I'm not trading Beal for some Bum. Beal is a All-Star so if I'm trading him I need a All-Star in return or someone who has All-Star potential. Also he is still under contract so he would lose money if he choose not to play for the Wizards for the next 2 years while still under contract. Some of You are forgetting that. Edited July 13, 2019 by Skins212689 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 13, 2019 Author Share Posted July 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Skins212689 said: It's not about feelings, its about replacing his talent. I'm not trading Beal for some Bum. Beal is a All-Star so if I'm trading him I need a All-Star in return or someone who has All-Star potential. Also he is still under contract so he would lose money if he choose not to play for the Wizards for the next 2 years while still under contract. Some of You are forgetting that. Most likely not replacing Beal’s talent w/ a player his age. If we trade him we’re probably getting back an older player who may be All-Star caliber but is closer to 30. If we get picks back, those picks will probably never be as good as Beal too. If Beal wants to stay, it makes sense to keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins212689 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, turtle28 said: Most likely not replacing Beal’s talent w/ a player his age. If we trade him we’re probably getting back an older player who may be All-Star caliber but is closer to 30. If we get picks back, those picks will probably never be as good as Beal too. If Beal wants to stay, it makes sense to keep him. Read my post to Woz and you will see all the guys I would accept in a trade for Beal are I believe younger than him. Another name to add to that list is Klay Thompson who might be around the same age as Beal. So no I wouldn't be on board trading Beal for a much Older guy. We both agree if Beal wants to Stay they should keep him. Edited July 13, 2019 by Skins212689 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsin2013 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/13/2019 at 9:53 AM, Skins212689 said: It's not about feelings, its about replacing his talent. I'm not trading Beal for some Bum. Beal is a All-Star so if I'm trading him I need a All-Star in return or someone who has All-Star potential. Also he is still under contract so he would lose money if he choose not to play for the Wizards for the next 2 years while still under contract. Some of You are forgetting that. Yes. Let's trade Beal for a bum. That's what I was suggesting. Replacing him with someone who has all-star potential puts you right back in the same position. I wouldn't look to replace him straight up. I would look to build for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins212689 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Skinsin2013 said: Yes. Let's trade Beal for a bum. That's what I was suggesting. Replacing him with someone who has all-star potential puts you right back in the same position. I wouldn't look to replace him straight up. I would look to build for the future. Build with what? Draft picks? The NBA draft doesn't work like the NFL, meaning the worst records doesn't guarantee you a top pick! You could trade a All-Star for a pick in the NBA and end up without a top 5 pick. I'm not interested in doing that! Edited July 14, 2019 by Skins212689 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 16 hours ago, Skins212689 said: Read my post to Woz and you will see all the guys I would accept in a trade for Beal are I believe younger than him. Another name to add to that list is Klay Thompson who might be around the same age as Beal. So no I wouldn't be on board trading Beal for a much Older guy. We both agree if Beal wants to Stay they should keep him. That’s a pipe dream. Klay Thompson? The Warriors just did a sign and trade to get DeAngelo Russell and they just re-signed Klay Thompson. If they have DeAngelo Russell, they have no room for another guard making max money. And did you even look up how old Klay is? He was in the Kawhai draft. He’s 29 and will be 30 in February and is coming off a torn ACL. Hence my point. Also, if you’re trading Beal to a good team or great team the picks we’d get back are in the 20s most likely. Aka most likely back up players. I’m glad you at least agree to not trade Beal unless he wants to be traded and from what I can tell he doesn’t bc he was having a lot of fun last year towards the end of the year playing with those other guys and being the focal point of the offense. Edited July 14, 2019 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Skinsin2013 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 2 hours ago, Skins212689 said: Build with what? Draft picks? The NBA draft doesn't work like the NFL, meaning the worst records doesn't guarantee you a top pick! You could trade a All-Star for a pick in the NBA and end up without a top 5 pick. I'm not interested in doing that! Feel like I'm chatting with a wall here. You get back multiple pickS for Beal. The more bullets in the chamber, the better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins212689 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Skinsin2013 said: Feel like I'm chatting with a wall here. You get back multiple pickS for Beal. The more bullets in the chamber, the better. I'm not interested in doing that. With all the picks OKC got back by trading Westbrook and George I guarantee none of those picks will equal a Westbrook or Geroge. I need even value for what I'm trading away. Just seems we have two different ways of looking at THIS situation. Edited July 14, 2019 by Skins212689 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Skinsin2013 said: Feel like I'm chatting with a wall here. You get back multiple pickS for Beal. The more bullets in the chamber, the better. Multiple picks in the 20s gets you most likely bench players, or a 5th best starter at best. I don’t understand why this point is in one year and out the other. I’m not saying that a 20-30 pick is useless, but you could field a starting 5 of them and those players would barely have a better impact as a player of Bradley Beal’s caliber. That kind of trade isn’t worth it unless your star or superstar makes you do it bc they want off your team and won’t re-sign with you. At this point, we aren’t sure what Beal will want to do with his future. He’s obviously waiting and seeing how these young guys develop and how things go next year when Wall returns. At any point this season or next they can still trade Beal. Edited July 14, 2019 by turtle28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins212689 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 hours ago, turtle28 said: That’s a pipe dream. Klay Thompson? The Warriors just did a sign and trade to get DeAngelo Russell and they just re-signed Klay Thompson. If they have DeAngelo Russell, they have no room for another guard making max money. And did you even look up how old Klay is? He was in the Kawhai draft. He’s 29 and will be 30 in February and is coming off a torn ACL. Hence my point. Also, if you’re trading Beal to a good team or great team the picks we’d get back are in the 20s most likely. Aka most likely back up players. I’m glad you at least agree to not trade Beal unless he wants to be traded and from what I can tell he doesn’t bc he was having a lot of fun last year towards the end of the year playing with those other guys and being the focal point of the offense. Didn't know Klay was that old. Still though if Beal decicded he didn't want to stay and I could get Klay and at least 2 1st round picks from the Warriors I WOULD make that deal knowing Klay would instantly fill the void left by Beals departure. Though I would try to get those younger guys first mentioned in my post to Woz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MKnight82 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Skins212689 said: I'm not interested in doing that. With all the picks OKC got back by trading Westbrook and George I guarantee none of those picks will equal a Westbrook or Geroge. I need even value for what I'm trading away. Just seems we have two different ways of looking at THIS situation. OKC got more than just picks. They got Shai Gilgeous Alexander, who looked really good as a rookie. They got Danilo Gallinari who’s a legitimate nba starter. Also, despite being overpaid for his age they got Chris Paul who’s a multiple time all nba selection an all star. The Wizards won’t just get picks for a Beal trade they will get something similar, and they were completely stupid for not engaging the Clippers in talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 On 7/12/2019 at 1:47 PM, e16bball said: But neither team is trying/hoping to compete this season, so that production will essentially have no value. Probably negative value, when viewed with a long-term lens. Wizards could compete for a lower playoff seed with Paul and Beal, which is what Ted wants anyway. So I dunno. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins212689 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 52 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: OKC got more than just picks. They got Shai Gilgeous Alexander, who looked really good as a rookie. They got Danilo Gallinari who’s a legitimate nba starter. Also, despite being overpaid for his age they got Chris Paul who’s a multiple time all nba selection an all star. The Wizards won’t just get picks for a Beal trade they will get something similar, and they were completely stupid for not engaging the Clippers in talks. None of those guys or picks are on Beal level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtle28 Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 51 minutes ago, MKnight82 said: OKC got more than just picks. They got Shai Gilgeous Alexander, who looked really good as a rookie. They got Danilo Gallinari who’s a legitimate nba starter. Also, despite being overpaid for his age they got Chris Paul who’s a multiple time all nba selection an all star. The Wizards won’t just get picks for a Beal trade they will get something similar, and they were completely stupid for not engaging the Clippers in talks. So they got enough players to put them where? Exactly where you say in Pro Sports World purgatory! They’re going to win 35 to 40 games and possibly not have a top 5 pick bc Paul, Alexander, Gallinari, Adams etc will be just good enough to make sure that doesn’t happen. I don’t want a bunch of good players and an aging or over the hill former All-Star for Brad Beal, I want Brad Beal in his prime and to watch this young team grow and develop with him leading them for the next decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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