BleedTheClock Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 31 minutes ago, brownie man said: Yeah thats what is worrying me with Minkah Not a pure corner Not sure if he's got Natural FS range Hes really a Nickle/SS and could be a stellar one but is that worth the 4 pick? Nope. We want a FS so we can move Peppers out of that role and put him in the nickel or at SS. Drafting Minkah doesn’t fix that issue. We would still want a FS next year so we could move Peppers to SS and Fitzpatrick to the nickel. I’m not spending a top 5 pick on a guy that will be moving to a position he has never played so we can fix the error we made last year of playing Peppers in a spot where he never played. Both Peppers and Fitzpatrick can play FS, but it’s a waste of their talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brownie man Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: Nope. We want a FS so we can move Peppers out of that role and put him in the nickel or at SS. Drafting Minkah doesn’t fix that issue. We would still want a FS next year so we could move Peppers to SS and Fitzpatrick to the nickel. I’m not spending a top 5 pick on a guy that will be moving to a position he has never played so we can fix the error we made last year of playing Peppers in a spot where he never played. Both Peppers and Fitzpatrick can play FS, but it’s a waste of their talent. Thats what I'm thinking But lets say we get a pure FS in the 2nd is Fitzpatrick worth the pick to be our nickel? I guess 4 comes down to Barkley or Chubb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, brownie man said: Thats what I'm thinking But lets say we get a pure FS in the 2nd is Fitzpatrick worth the pick to be our nickel? I guess 4 comes down to Barkley or Chubb No, because we would have Peppers in the Nickel role. Or another corner like Briean Boddy-Calhoun if we sign someone like Trumaine Johnson in free agency, which I expect us to do. Here's what I'd like to do with our first few picks: 1- Sam Darnold QB 4-Saquon Barkley RB 2nd-Orlando Brown OT 2nd-Anthony Miller WR 2nd-Quin Blanding FS 3rd-Braxton Berrios WR 3rd-Deon Cain WR 4th-MJ Stewart CB 5th-Skai Moore WLB 6th-Antonio Callaway WR 6th-Matthew Thomas MLB 7th-Donnie Miles SS *And get Trumaine Johnson in FREE AGENCY. This would give us a base secondary like this: CB: Johnson/McCourty/BBC/Stewart/Taylor/Wilson FS: Blanding/Nacua SS: Peppers/Kindred/Miles With our nickel package looking like this: LE: Emmanuel Ogbah DT: Larry Ogunjobi DT: Trevon Coley RE: Myles Garrett LB: Jamie Collins (could put Skai Moore in for coverage & move Collins to LDE and Ogbah to DT to replace Coley) LB: Christian Kirksey (coult put Skai Moore in for coverage) Nickel: Jabrill Peppers CB: Trumaine Johnson CB: Jason McCourty FS: Quin Blanding SS: Derrick Kindred Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Denzel Ward v Jason Verrett as a prospect, who'd you prefer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, Forge said: Denzel Ward v Jason Verrett as a prospect, who'd you prefer? Ward is a better athlete. Verrett is a great athlete, but Ward is special. His ability to run in sync with WR's is pretty spectacular, even on shifty/tricky routes. This isn't to say Verrett isn't a beast, but Ward is a better prospect. EDIT: Also, Ward has more experience playing press man, off man, press zone, and off zone. Verrett was in zone 90% of the time at TCU, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 2 hours ago, brownie man said: Yeah thats what is worrying me with Minkah Not a pure corner Not sure if he's got Natural FS range Hes really a Nickle/SS and could be a stellar one but is that worth the 4 pick? He's your nickel back, in more cases. You want to move him around, and utilize him in a role where he's playing closer to the LOS and near the ball. I mean, I believe he could be a serviceable boundary corner, but I think his value gets minimized there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 Blanding playing high at FS isn't ideal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted January 15, 2018 Share Posted January 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Counselor said: Blanding playing high at FS isn't ideal. Why? I know he's not a great athlete nor does he have very good lateral speed, but the dude doesn't miss tackles as your last line of defense, doesn't ever get burned in coverage, and is always in position. The only thing he doesn't do great is drive on the ball when it's in the air. If something is thrown in the void between the linebackers and safeties, he doesn't have the raw explosive speed to put his foot in the ground and drive on that throw. So he's not really a ball-hawk back there, but he's as rock solid of a FS as you can find. He's very good with his angles and his drops, making sure everything stays in front of him and reading the QB's eyes. He can play SS too, but I really do think he's more of a FS. He's not very physical or aggressive, which leads me to believe playing against TE's as a SS would give him problems in the run game. He's a wrap-up space tackler, not a Derwin James eat your face tackler. I'm not saying he's Earl Thomas or Ed Reed back there...he's not. But in this class, there aren't any guys comparable to that and you're either going to be converting a corner/SS to FS to get a great athlete there or you're going to be drafting a solid but unspectacular player there. I don't see any beasts at FS this year. Blanding may not have any standout trait, but for what the Browns ask their FS to do (chill deep, don't get beat over the top, and make every tackle that breaks in front of you), he is ideal. We play our safeties 25-30 yards off the ball (not an exaggeration, sadly) and basically play a 10 man defense with 1 guy deep to clean up any mess or seepage the other 10 guys let leak through. Blanding is a perfect clean up guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchDJ Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, BleedTheClock said: Why? I know he's not a great athlete nor does he have very good lateral speed, but the dude doesn't miss tackles as your last line of defense, doesn't ever get burned in coverage, and is always in position. The only thing he doesn't do great is drive on the ball when it's in the air. If something is thrown in the void between the linebackers and safeties, he doesn't have the raw explosive speed to put his foot in the ground and drive on that throw. So he's not really a ball-hawk back there, but he's as rock solid of a FS as you can find. He's very good with his angles and his drops, making sure everything stays in front of him and reading the QB's eyes. He can play SS too, but I really do think he's more of a FS. He's not very physical or aggressive, which leads me to believe playing against TE's as a SS would give him problems in the run game. He's a wrap-up space tackler, not a Derwin James eat your face tackler. I'm not saying he's Earl Thomas or Ed Reed back there...he's not. But in this class, there aren't any guys comparable to that and you're either going to be converting a corner/SS to FS to get a great athlete there or you're going to be drafting a solid but unspectacular player there. I don't see any beasts at FS this year. Blanding may not have any standout trait, but for what the Browns ask their FS to do (chill deep, don't get beat over the top, and make every tackle that breaks in front of you), he is ideal. We play our safeties 25-30 yards off the ball (not an exaggeration, sadly) and basically play a 10 man defense with 1 guy deep to clean up any mess or seepage the other 10 guys let leak through. Blanding is a perfect clean up guy. Would you say he’s a poor mans Harrison Smith? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 1 hour ago, ClutchDJ said: Would you say he’s a poor mans Harrison Smith? Meh....probably not. Smith was extremely rangy and more aggressive. Blanding is kind of...well...bland. He won't make many plays on the ball like Smith did. He is more of a preventer than he is a playmaker. Smith at Notre Dame made a ton of plays by baiting QB's and getting in passing lanes. Blanding isn't that kind of player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 10 hours ago, BleedTheClock said: Why? I know he's not a great athlete nor does he have very good lateral speed, but the dude doesn't miss tackles as your last line of defense, doesn't ever get burned in coverage, and is always in position. The only thing he doesn't do great is drive on the ball when it's in the air. If something is thrown in the void between the linebackers and safeties, he doesn't have the raw explosive speed to put his foot in the ground and drive on that throw. So he's not really a ball-hawk back there, but he's as rock solid of a FS as you can find. He's very good with his angles and his drops, making sure everything stays in front of him and reading the QB's eyes. He can play SS too, but I really do think he's more of a FS. He's not very physical or aggressive, which leads me to believe playing against TE's as a SS would give him problems in the run game. He's a wrap-up space tackler, not a Derwin James eat your face tackler. I'm not saying he's Earl Thomas or Ed Reed back there...he's not. But in this class, there aren't any guys comparable to that and you're either going to be converting a corner/SS to FS to get a great athlete there or you're going to be drafting a solid but unspectacular player there. I don't see any beasts at FS this year. Blanding may not have any standout trait, but for what the Browns ask their FS to do (chill deep, don't get beat over the top, and make every tackle that breaks in front of you), he is ideal. We play our safeties 25-30 yards off the ball (not an exaggeration, sadly) and basically play a 10 man defense with 1 guy deep to clean up any mess or seepage the other 10 guys let leak through. Blanding is a perfect clean up guy. He will be cleaning stuff up after he lets it get by him? No sir. It will be too late. i really like Blanding. But not in that role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedTheClock Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Counselor said: He will be cleaning stuff up after he lets it get by him? No sir. It will be too late. i really like Blanding. But not in that role. Huh? He doesn't get burned deep ever that I've seen. He keeps everything in front of him. He'll clean up the front 7's mess, not his own mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT14 Posted January 16, 2018 Share Posted January 16, 2018 A couple of late round Hokie CBs available in Brandon Facyson and Greg Stroman. Both are playing in the East West game. Thoughts on the two? Stroman is smaller, but could be a special teams/returner as well as a dime guy. Facyson might have a decent chance to play a lot in packages. Wondering what you all saw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaKid7 Posted January 22, 2018 Share Posted January 22, 2018 Anyone have thoughts on JC Jackson? The off the field concerns are for sure there but so is the talent and athleticism. There are some toolsy CB prospects that will be available in the mid rounds. McFadden, Toliver are intriguing as well. How high can Holton Hill climb? He's a specimen. Some problems at Texas but not sure it's an issue going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDOG_det Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 On 12/28/2017 at 11:22 AM, IDOG_det said: Stewart looks like he's closer to 5'10" and looks like he weighs around ~195-200. Quandre Diggs was 5'9" 196 coming out of Texas and probably weighs around 205 right now. Stewart isn't really bigger and stronger, go back and look how Diggs was built at Texas. If anything he was built larger than Stewart. MJ Stewart just weighed in at 5'10" 5/8th's and 198 lbs @BleedTheClock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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