mdonnelly21 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 A lot of people think Tom Brady or Montana is the GOAT QB. But A-rod is more talented than both EDIT: When I say talent, I'm also including skill/ability and impact. This includes everything that you want in a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xmad Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 No. Talent is entirely subjective and no one is "the most talented" at something. You can be the best at something, but you can't be the "most talented' I.E like saying Josh Gordon is more talented than Julio Jones, how can you prove it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Most talented? Yes. There may have been other QB's who have the upper hand in terms of certain individual abilities, but none have had a wider range of abilities in their repertoire as Rodgers does. This in large part due to his mobility, his pocket awareness and his incredible - sometimes even CGI-esque - ability to escape a sack. So even in those specific categories where he may fall short at compared to others, the margin isn't great enough to disqualify him from this discussion, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAF-N72EX Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, SwoleXmad said: No. Talent is entirely subjective and no one is "the most talented" at something. You can be the best at something, but you can't be the "most talented' I.E like saying Josh Gordon is more talented than Julio Jones, how can you prove it? Think of it like this. Was usain Bolt not the fastest runner in world? Was Phelps not the best swimmer in the world?(save for the inevitable) That means they were the most talented people in the world at their respective professions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVillain112 Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 45 minutes ago, mdonnelly21 said: A lot of people think Tom Brady or Montana is the GOAT QB. But A-rod is more talented than both "Talent" at the QB position also has to include the ability to read a defense and make quick decisions. If not well Cam Newton is more talented than Rodgers. To that end, I've noticed Rodgers has gone down just a tad from his 'peak' when he won the SB. At that time, I would agree that Rodgers was the most talented QB I've ever seen. Now, I would say it's Brady... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Depends on if accuracy/touch are a part of “talent”. Michael Vick was pretty damn talented. Just had much, much less skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Mike Vick was the most physically talented QB ever. Rodgers is the most complete QB. I’d give him the edge over Young b/c he did it longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 18 minutes ago, DirtyDez said: Mike Vick was the most physically talented QB ever. Rodgers is the most complete QB. I’d give him the edge over Young b/c he did it longer. Isn't doing it longer completely irrelevant to how talented you are? Are Gale Sayers and TD somehow less talented because they only did it for a few years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 hour ago, JustAnotherFan said: Most talented? Yes. There may have been other QB's who have the upper hand in terms of certain individual abilities, but none have had a wider range of abilities in their repertoire as Rodgers does. This in large part due to his mobility, his pocket awareness and his incredible - sometimes even CGI-esque - ability to escape a sack. So even in those specific categories where he may fall short at compared to others, the margin isn't great enough to disqualify him from this discussion, IMO. You just described Steve young too, fwiw. Young was also crazy accurate similar to Rodgers. The latter may have had the more powerful arm though. Not sure. I'd say yes, but the memory gets hazy. Marino had crazy arm and you'd be shocked by seldom he was sacked. Was it his mobility? Probably not, but that release isn't something Rodgers has either, so some of that had to cancel out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nex_Gen Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Semantics. Rodgers is the best to ever play on the field. Brady is the greatest to ever play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, Forge said: Isn't doing it longer completely irrelevant to how talented you are? Are Gale Sayers and TD somehow less talented because they only did it for a few years? So where are we drawing the line? I could take Dante Culpepper in his MVP year and call him the most talented. I do think Young and Rodgers are 1-2 and I’d give AR the advantage based on arm talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 22 minutes ago, DirtyDez said: So where are we drawing the line? I could take Dante Culpepper in his MVP year and call him the most talented. I do think Young and Rodgers are 1-2 and I’d give AR the advantage based on arm talent. I think that was @SwoleXmads point. Talent isn't something that is tangible and it can be quantified. About all we can really use is the eye test, and even that can betray us because how do your compare and contrast to guys like Marino and Rodgers when the leagues they played in are completely different. How do situations impact what we see? Was Archie Manning more talented than he was able to show because he played for three Aints and we just never saw it? Was Barry or AP the more talented running back? I don't know how you truly quantify the differences when the margins get so thin. Even using your example of Culpepper - how do we know that wasn't his actual talent level? We can't really, because there's no way to quantify it. Perhaps his talent level really was that and for whatever reason, it simply wasn't able to manifest itself in later seasons in the way it did that year. Yes, that's a bit extreme, but again, I think that goes back to Swole's initial point in that there's really no way for us to definitively know one way or the other. But fwiw, I'd agree and have Rodgers, young and some others in that top tier lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMossIsBoss Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Such a tough question since everyone has a different definition of talent as it pertains to the QB position. Hell, even "athleticism" is not the same to everybody. He's certainly up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Agree with poster above. Either him or Steve young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReadyToThump Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 5 hours ago, Nex_Gen said: Semantics. Rodgers is the best to ever play on the field. Brady is the greatest to ever play the game. Pretty much this. When you look at Rodgers, he's got literally everything you want in a QB, he's the total package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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