MacReady Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Just now, eagles101 said: If they get free syringes then they wont share needles so it stops the spread of diseases. Shouldn't they just remind people that, "Hey, if you use used syringes, you will get diseases," and then use that as a further deterrent to drugs instead of catering to drug users? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, iPwn said: I’ve been very productive at work today. I made a rubber band ball from scratch and....well that’s about it. I hate you. I'm traveling for work, which apparently means I have meetings all day (and fricking 3 hours of presentations over two days so I sound like a 30 year smoker at this point) and then have to do regular work after the travel work is done. Edited May 11, 2018 by ramssuperbowl99 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 hour ago, eagles101 said: If they get free syringes then they wont share needles so it stops the spread of diseases. Correct, and these types of programs are incredibly effective in terms of preventing disease (and thus reducing health care costs). It not only makes sense ethically, it saves us money. https://www.cdc.gov/policy/hst/hi5/cleansyringes/index.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 hour ago, HorizontoZenith said: Shouldn't they just remind people that, "Hey, if you use used syringes, you will get diseases," and then use that as a further deterrent to drugs instead of catering to drug users? Dang, if only they'd thought of that before! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles101 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 8 hours ago, HorizontoZenith said: Shouldn't they just remind people that, "Hey, if you use used syringes, you will get diseases," and then use that as a further deterrent to drugs instead of catering to drug users? They tried that. Doesnt work. If you took a addict and gave him a syringe and said “it’s definitely got aids” a lot of them would still take them. Its just one of those issue if you have a “to bad druggy” it becomes a huge societal problem. Nobody wants to be an addict so its better to try to help than condemn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 9 hours ago, HorizontoZenith said: Shouldn't they just remind people that, "Hey, if you use used syringes, you will get diseases," and then use that as a further deterrent to drugs instead of catering to drug users? This type of thinking only costs money and lives. The cost of needles is significantly less than that of the diseases associated with using dirty ones. The cost of the “War on Drugs” (a war we’ve been losing for decades) is far more than legalization, regulation and profit that can be made, even if you include establishing treatment centers to help addicts. 8 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Correct, and these types of programs are incredibly effective in terms of preventing disease (and thus reducing health care costs). It not only makes sense ethically, it saves us money. https://www.cdc.gov/policy/hst/hi5/cleansyringes/index.html Yessir. To add to this, if you legalize and tax these drugs you’d not only more than pay for these costs, but there’d be fewer overdoses in general as users would have a known quality/quantity. OD’s are a huge expenditure of time and resources for EMS and ER workers. 57 minutes ago, eagles101 said: They tried that. Doesnt work. If you took a addict and gave him a syringe and said “it’s definitely got aids” a lot of them would still take them. Its just one of those issue if you have a “to bad druggy” it becomes a huge societal problem. Nobody wants to be an addict so its better to try to help than condemn. Yep. They know the risks, but they are physically addicted. If you’ve never worked with addicts you don’t grasp what that means. These folks put that drug above most, of not all else. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cddolphin Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 10 hours ago, HorizontoZenith said: Shouldn't they just remind people that, "Hey, if you use used syringes, you will get diseases," and then use that as a further deterrent to drugs instead of catering to drug users? It does seem counter-intuitive, but it's a proven method. You should google Portugal drug law sometime if you want to be quite pleasantly surprised. 9 hours ago, Tyty said: Dang, if only they'd thought of that before! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 I'd rather see drugs legalized and regulated with syringes being included in the price of the drug than people receiving free syringes. I get it, I just don't like the idea of it. Just seems wrong. Especially since they're just throwing the syringes anywhere when they're done with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 Free syringes, free birth control, etc. are all the same argument and both sides make sense. I feel as though the "against" is more of a pie in the sky view of if you just reasoned with people about preventing disease, abstaining, birth control is less expensive than having a kid, tax payers shouldn't fund it, etc. I get it and it makes sense. I have this personal view, but it doesn't make as much sense on a reasonable/will it happen level. That said, people are still going to use, people are still going to ignore reason/logic, and it will cost more in the long run and is worse for society unfortunately based upon sheer black and white statistics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 you dont see any bologna commercials nowadays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagles101 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 56 minutes ago, HorizontoZenith said: I'd rather see drugs legalized and regulated with syringes being included in the price of the drug than people receiving free syringes. I get it, I just don't like the idea of it. Just seems wrong. Especially since they're just throwing the syringes anywhere when they're done with them. That would be the best route. They outlawed cbd oil...soooo. Usually have to take the three best ideas and throw them out for old outdated nonsense that people hold onto. Free syringes isnt great but its better then the cobra effect ideas we have been dealing with for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacReady Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 I think we should just send all drug users to the moon and let them figure it out on their own. Same basic principle worked with Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gnat Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 minute ago, HorizontoZenith said: I think we should just send all drug users to the moon and let them figure it out on their own. Same basic principle worked with Australia. I don't remember sending Australia to the moon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twslhs20 Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, The Gnat said: I don't remember sending Australia to the moon.... Conspiracy Theory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malfatron Posted May 11, 2018 Share Posted May 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, twslhs20 said: 32 minutes ago, The Gnat said: I don't remember sending Australia to the moon.... Conspiracy Theory the Austraila landing was faked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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