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Shanedorf

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10 minutes ago, Green19 said:

I blame management for not getting more talent and I blame coaching for not leveraging the talent they had (Gilbert sitting on practice squad...) and leveraging it creatively.

I enjoy your work here Green 19, but I'll kindly ask you to try not to get sucked into the blame game, its a polluted mindset. The Packers only have a limited amount of money and picks and they have to allocate them based on what's available, not what they need. Its a hard business and you're competing against 31 other franchises for a limited talent pool who have other non-GB options available. Deal with those realities and the blame-game looks different. What you're really doing is blaming the system that is set up to reward the teams that suck, not the ones who make the playoffs 8 consecutive seasons

Even the comment about "Gilbert sitting on the PS"  is one that's debatable - he was an UDFA for a reason and he needed time to develop. But when you get sucked into the blame game - you don't give the scouts kudos for finding Gilbert or the coaches kudos for developing him into a player....instead people gripe about:

"He should have been playing sooner !!!"  

This puts too many posters into a never-ending loop of bitching and blaming - and that adds absolutely nothing insightful to this board.

 

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1 hour ago, CWood21 said:

The funny thing is we're going to hear leading up to the draft is that there is no way he can be as good as his brother, and he's not that good of a prospect.

Ah NFL brother theory. Hell, cousins who are both high level players are hard to find.

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PossibleCabbage

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1 hour ago, CWood21 said:

I don't have an issue with them passing on Arden Key, especially if the rumors about there being an addiction to hard drugs being remotely true.  That's just not something you want in your locker room.  Kudos to the Raiders FO for making that gamble, but that isn't a risk the Packers are willing to take.  Especially with a pick that high.

For me the "high risk later round pass rusher" I was bummed the Packers didn't land was Josh Sweat.  Sure, the medial was concerning but I was heartbroken when he went 3 before they picked in the 4th (I liked Moore, but I liked Sweat a lot.)

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Green19

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24 minutes ago, Shanedorf said:

This puts too many posters into a never-ending loop of bitching and blaming - and that adds absolutely nothing insightful to this board.

I hear you Shanedorf and I can’t speak for others but I feel I have a good handle on not being in an endless loop.

But blaming a group or someone isn’t a bad thing. It’s holding that group or person accountable. Now if you want to challenge me by saying we are all a bunch of randos on the Internet, who are we to hold anyone accountable... I won’t fight you on that, haha.

though these men and women are... it’s why they get fired, cut, etc when results are lacking.

Honestly I’m very happy with the defense’s direction. The secondary alone has a chance to be special in a year or two. They also have 2 1st in a draft that’s going to be extremely deep in edge talent too. They also got rid of a coach I felt had gone stale for one that seems to understand where the game is and going.

But I blame management or coaches because they get paid very well to make these decisions. I understand resources are limited... my main beef over the last 5 years is management’s player acquisition philosophy didn’t match the coaching/ system philosophy. They kept bring in younger and younger talent and the coaching and system only seemed to work if the team had 6 year veterans as the 2nd, 3rd and 4th stringers.

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3 hours ago, Packerraymond said:

I liked him too, watching Key in Oakland has me upset with didn't risk it there. Guy looks like he did in 2016 in their camp. I saw a video of him schooling Kolton Miller so hard it was just unfair. We never take guys like that with this regime, even Wolf passed on guys like that. Sometimes I just wish we took the risk.

Let me jump in here.........

I was impressed by Key in the OAK game as well. Asked about it in fact in some "whats up with this guy" mode. During the run up to the draft everybody seemed down on Key. An underachiever - a spotty motor - a drinker? I dont know - but it wasnt all coming up roses.....and as for this: "Sometimes I just wish we;d take the risk....." - I agree entirely. I've been quoted more times than can be counted: TRUST THE TALENT. Get the talent. Alas -- they always pass.

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palmy50

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6 hours ago, Mr. Fussnputz said:

I wanted Watt. I was shocked when he was there and TT traded down. I was further shocked when TT then drafted a CB with a bad shoulder. And I was even further shocked when TT used the 4th he picked up to draft a LB with bad feet (Biegel). I remember Palmy saying that they had a red flag on him for his feet. Now Biegel is gone and King's other shoulder is bothering him. I like TT, but his last few years of drafting were disappointing. 

We did pull Biegel on medical. Feet issues often come back up down the road though and also kill tape grades or keep you off the field all together.

I don't like shoulder medical red on rushers and QB's but skills guys can often strap/brace them up and grade to par. Very few pull down that injury at position played. We sure liked King and still do!

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AlexGreen#20

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5 minutes ago, palmy50 said:

Just reading back a few pages here but may I ask which one of Alexander, Jackson, and Burks you'd be willing to give up for one of this year's rushers and why? 

Burks in a minute just on position played. And Key scares the hell out of me to this day. 

Inside Backer, BIG, and RB are the positions I think you can usually pull a guy off the street and not bleed out. 

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4 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said:

Burks in a minute just on position played. And Key scares the hell out of me to this day. 

Inside Backer, BIG, and RB are the positions I think you can usually pull a guy off the street and not bleed out. 

Not saying anyone is right or wrong here. Just wondering what was on your minds, that's all.

I graded Burks out as a speciality player but he was a damn good one and was gonna come off soon if the Packers didn't move for him. As for the CB's, hell, I had a higher grade on Jackson than any EDGE in this class not named Chubb.....

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AlexGreen#20

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2 minutes ago, palmy50 said:

Not saying anyone is right or wrong here. Just wondering what was on your minds, that's all.

I graded Burks out as a speciality player but he was a damn good one and was gonna come off soon if the Packers didn't move for him. As for the CB's, hell, I had a higher grade on Jackson than any EDGE in this class not named Chubb.....

No doubt it was a real down year for the edge rushers. The Clemson guys going back really hurt the class and I think Chubb got pretty overrated for it to say nothing of Davenport. There also needs to be an exception in the rules that anybody named Bosa can be drafted at the age of 13 because I'm pretty sure that's when they're ready to start contributing to NFL teams. 

It will be interesting to see if Burks' skillset is still getting looked at in a specialist's role by the time that rookie deal is up. 

 

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