11sanchez11 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Cersei kills Jamie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnygsm Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 1 hour ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: This is by design. They were fighting an undead army and were certain they were all going to die. There's no point in being coy and speaking in riddles when zombies are eating your face off the next day. "The Dead are here." "Chaos is a ladder." Crap like that would have people in here talking about how the writers are trying to hard and the dialogue doesn't fit the scene. And even in the next episode - they are at the gates of King's Landing. It's happening.gif. There is zero time to slowly influence someone, you have to put the cards on the table because this is the moment that decides the realm. Of course Varys is going to approach that conversation differently than when he's planning a Targ invasion that's literally years away. Counterpoints. A) The zombies are already gone by ep 4. B) Episode 2 was spent entirely on dialogue despite the imminent battle. Good dialogue doesn't mean speaking in riddles. C) Tyrion and Varys' conversation is a classic GoT encounter between two historically smart characters. A scene like that relies on dialogue. The interaction from this past week felt like a dumbed down version of what they used to have in the past. The tension was gone and the retorts felt pretty generic. The show's timelines are also artificial. They can do whatever they want regardless of what the logical timeline dictates. If they can burn a ton of bodies and reach King's landing in an episode, they can have whatever type of dialogue they like. At times it's by design, at times it is just poor design/dialogue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver&Black88 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 3 hours ago, Jlowe22 said: Except that they killed her, making it even more likely she burns it down. I’ve never accused Cersei of being smart 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 39 minutes ago, sunnygsm said: The interaction from this past week felt like a dumbed down version of what they used to have in the past. The tension was gone and the retorts felt pretty generic. The show's timelines are also artificial. They can do whatever they want regardless of what the logical timeline dictates. If they can burn a ton of bodies and reach King's landing in an episode, they can have whatever type of dialogue they like. At times it's by design, at times it is just poor design/dialogue. It felt dumbed down because they weren't talking in veils. They were talking about here and now because they have to. This is the moment that Varys waited 20 years for. This is the moment that has been the only reason Tyrion didn't kill himself after killing his dad. There are times for schemes and games, and then there is now. 39 minutes ago, sunnygsm said: They can do whatever they want regardless of what the logical timeline dictates. If they can burn a ton of bodies and reach King's landing in an episode, they can have whatever type of dialogue they like. At times it's by design, at times it is just poor design/dialogue. This is what I'm talking about when I talk about the impossible standards that people set for this show. Fans want realism down to the most minute detail, but then they also want dialogue that reminds them of the old books which were set in a completely different situation and don't fit the urgency here at all (ironically enough, the same people who want fan service-y dialogue that doesn't belong at the climax of the show also don't want fan service). You're setting yourself up to be miserable. There aren't any more games between Varys and Tyrion any more. They know everything about each other, they know the other's motivations, and they've got one boat ride to set the future king/queen up with a powerful ally. **** or get off the pot time, and that's how the dialogue was portrayed. They both were more direct, and Varys in particular came across as desperate. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 By the way, there are things I think could be better with the dialogue. Going back to "Seven hells" or other GRRM-isms would help, and that hasn't been done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animaltested Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 The Starbucks Cup left in the shot truly is symbolic of so many issues this show has had since the end of season five. 1. The cup is made of recycled material much in the way the story has been recycling ideas 2. The cup is made of 1 dimensional cardboard, much like how the current characters are 1 dimensional cardboard cutouts of their characters from seasons 1-5. 3. The leftover coffee in the cup is as stale and lukewarm as the writing and dialogue has been in season 6-7-8 4. The cup was a modern out of place thing, much like most of the plot points, justification, concepts, and reasoning. 5. The cup was missed and overlooked, much like all of what made the previous material/seasons good. 6. The cup overlook happened because editors were too focused on everything around it, much like how the showrunners are focused on everything around the story (spectacle, shock and awe, set pieces), instead of the story itself which made the source material and seasons 1-5 so amazing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 11 minutes ago, animaltested said: The Starbucks Cup left in the shot truly is symbolic of so many issues this show has had since the end of season five. 1. The cup is made of recycled material much in the way the story has been recycling ideas 2. The cup is made of 1 dimensional cardboard, much like how the current characters are 1 dimensional cardboard cutouts of their characters from seasons 1-5. 3. The leftover coffee in the cup is as stale and lukewarm as the writing and dialogue has been in season 6-7-8 4. The cup was a modern out of place thing, much like most of the plot points, justification, concepts, and reasoning. 5. The cup was missed and overlooked, much like all of what made the previous material/seasons good. 6. The cup overlook happened because editors were too focused on everything around it, much like how the showrunners are focused on everything around the story (spectacle, shock and awe, set pieces), instead of the story itself which made the source material and seasons 1-5 so amazing. Careful now. You pointing out the obvious is just complaining and nitpicking while ruining the show for other people who want Starbucks subliminal messages in their medevial TV show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: Careful now. You pointing out the obvious is just complaining and nitpicking while ruining the show for other people who want Starbucks subliminal messages in their medevial TV show. Do you ever get tired of being this insufferable? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PARROTHEAD Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Someone did the math. I was way off saying 20 tons of pressure. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE DUKE Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 Yeah, I knew it had to be an insane amount of torque to fling those huge bolts with that much force over that much distance, but I sure as hell wasn't going to do the math. A small fraction of that force would tear those ships apart trying to fire with that much pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PARROTHEAD Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 17 minutes ago, THE DUKE said: Yeah, I knew it had to be an insane amount of torque to fling those huge bolts with that much force over that much distance, but I sure as hell wasn't going to do the math. A small fraction of that force would tear those ships apart trying to fire with that much pressure. 1st thing I thought of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 5 hours ago, BayRaider said: You can go on reddit where thousands think the writing/dialogue is awful this season but the acting is superb. I thought ppl didn't care about writing anymore. How else do you explain mumble rap’s popularity? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 4 hours ago, 11sanchez11 said: Cersei kills Jamie. and euron kills cersei Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 I think we still need some information on the 3ER. I think his connection to the NK and White Walkers is more in depth than we think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyPhil1781 Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 37 minutes ago, PARROTHEAD said: Someone did the math. I was way off saying 20 tons of pressure. lol I mean, this just further proves that shhhh was made waaaaaay better back in the day when it wasn't mass produced. Like, c'mon..... we already knew this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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