AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JonStark said: He absolutely had something to do with the main characters and ending of the series. We'll have to wait until the books to come out to find out how much but I'd be willing to bet Jon kills Dany in those as well. Yes, this is the ending (Bran being King, Jon killing Dany after she goes Mad Queen) that is likely in the books, but it's the HOW WE GOT HERE that GRRM had nothing to do with. That's all I'm saying. 7 minutes ago, Superman(DH23) said: GRRM did this in the books. And GRRM has still been involved in the show. He has been a paid consultant and exec producer from the first episode to the last. He has not received a writing credit since season 4 (btw he only wrote 1 or 2 eps each season) he has still been directly involved. People mistakenly have assumed that since he said he was going to be stepping back from his direct writing of episodes and that they had passed the book materials that he isnt involved. Not true. People also have interpreted his talk of frustration in not being the final decision maker as evidence that hes not involved. Again not true. His talk of frustration was a pretty generic comment about working on a TV show, from who has been working on TV shows for 30 years. There is a large team and he is a member of that team. There is still zero indication that this story is GRRM's story and not D&D's story, though. The ending is GRRM's, but everything from S5 to now in how it's told is D&D's. 5 minutes ago, flyers0909 said: Sarcasm that must not have come through. It seems like every complaint in this thread is due to "lazy writing." Yeah probably beacuse the writing in this season has been incredibly lazy. Or do we need to re-visit the Long Night and how Dany "kind of forgot" about Euron's fleet? This season has been massacred by lazy writing. There's absolutely no denying that. But, that's what happens when you back yourself in to a 6 episode corner, you force yourself to rush things. It's their own damn fault for that. Edited May 20, 2019 by AFlaccoSeagulls 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonStark Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Yes, this is the ending (Bran being King, Jon killing Dany after she goes Mad Queen) that is likely in the books, but it's the HOW WE GOT HERE that GRRM had nothing to do with. That's all I'm saying. Oh yeah I can get on board with that. I think GRRM gave them the ending, but left it up to them to figure out how to get there, which they dropped the ball with. They absolutely rushed it, but people are getting carried away and reaching with some of the criticism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, oldman9er said: The foreshadowing of the thread is this. You can't possible conceive of... person A having a heated discussion with person B. Then person A moves along on his path.. then goes unseen.. no telling what he does since that conversation (ex. takes a bathroom break) or how long it takes... then person A continues on his path.. only to then see person B yet again in front of him later.. "OH MY GOSH, HOW could this be??????!!!!!???? SHOW is GARBAGES!!!!" .....I'm just speechless at how far people will go to justify fast traveling lol Jon: I just saw Grey Worm executing prisoners who have surrendered on Dany's orders, I must see Dany. Also Jon: Nah let me stop to take a crap first. 6 minutes ago, pwny said: Jon also had to push through the Dothraki to get there, while Greyworm probably was basically escorted and everyone made room for him. Sure, Jan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 5 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Why did she banish her own children to chains in a dark cave for burning 1 single innocent child then? LIS, there are loads of words and actions the writers gave both sides for evidence that she was or was not capable of killing women and children. Instead of a slow descent into madness like say an Anakin Skywalker experiences, the writers chose to have her snap in favor of plot twist and shock. That's always going to leave it open for debate. Coming from a book reader so there is a bit more insight here, but she did it not as punishment to the dragons, but in order to rule and to try and appease the mereneese people who were on the verge of revolt. Dany came in and completely upset the way of life and culture of a foreign nation. By freeing the slaves, closing the fighting pits, and turning the power structure on its head she created chaos. The sons of the harpy were basically a guerilla force causing her tons of headaches. When the bones of the girl are brought before her shes initially horrified. But when she is with Dorgon in the Dothraki sea she gains a better understanding of what it means to be a dragon. The show only had 1 episode of it. And they spent 0 time with her contemplation that we get in DoD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldman9er Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, pwny said: Jon also had to push through the Dothraki to get there, while Greyworm probably was basically escorted and everyone made room for him. Yeah, it's just such a small, piddly, petty thing in hindsight. Just like the Arya journey. Just like the exact spot picked out for Jamie and C to stand eyes closed.. the radius ability of dragon fire... Drogon's murder suspect suspicions, and on and on. JFC, lol Please do (anyone) point out the long lauded series that has been missing in my life that stayed strong through it all. I have been watching many and for many decades... yet to be truly satisfied... particularly in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, JonStark said: Oh yeah I can get on board with that. I think GRRM gave them the ending, but left it up to them to figure out how to get there, which they dropped the ball with. They absolutely rushed it, but people are getting carried away and reaching with some of the criticism. The reason people are being so picky about small things (like Grey Worm fast traveling) is because the writing has been so lazy with the big things (Azor Ahai meaning nothing, R + L = J meaning nothing, Bran becoming the 3ER meaning nothing, Dany losing her dragon to Euron's sharpshooters, etc.) that ultimately it snowballs into little things also being crucified as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldman9er Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, AFlaccoSeagulls said: The reason people are being so picky about small things (like Grey Worm fast traveling) is because the writing has been so lazy with the big things (Azor Ahai meaning nothing, R + L = J meaning nothing, Bran becoming the 3ER meaning nothing, Dany losing her dragon to Euron's sharpshooters, etc.) that ultimately it snowballs into little things also being crucified as well. Write your own stuff. Maybe someone will care.. and announce you as so superior to that in which you still take time to.. not only watch.. but comment on as such. Think anyone will nit-pick your work? nah. no way. Not in this society, amirite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 14 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Why did she banish her own children to chains in a dark cave for burning 1 single innocent child then? Flip side: a Mother putting her kids in "time out" shouldnt be taken as evidence she's a Saint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: The reason people are being so picky about small things (like Grey Worm fast traveling) is because the writing has been so lazy with the big things (Azor Ahai meaning nothing, R + L = J meaning nothing, Bran becoming the 3ER meaning nothing, Dany losing her dragon to Euron's sharpshooters, etc.) that ultimately it snowballs into little things also being crucified as well. Pwwp was fulfilled, which was the purpose of R+L = J, the people who complain about it just dont like the end result. That's not a writing problem. Bran becoming the 3ER is to reveal Jon's parentage. Again not a writing problem. Dragons have been killed before both in the lore and on screen, not a writing problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, oldman9er said: Write your own stuff. Maybe someone will care.. and announce you as so superior to that in which you still take time to.. not only watch.. but comment on as such. Think anyone will nit-pick your work? nah. no way. Not in this society, amirite? yawn Dude if you're just going to blindly kneel to ****ty writing and story telling why are you even here discussing this? lol like what's the point? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superman(DH23) Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: Yes, this is the ending (Bran being King, Jon killing Dany after she goes Mad Queen) that is likely in the books, but it's the HOW WE GOT HERE that GRRM had nothing to do with. That's all I'm saying. There is still zero indication that this story is GRRM's story and not D&D's story, though. The ending is GRRM's, but everything from S5 to now in how it's told is D&D's. Yeah probably beacuse the writing in this season has been incredibly lazy. Or do we need to re-visit the Long Night and how Dany "kind of forgot" about Euron's fleet? This season has been massacred by lazy writing. There's absolutely no denying that. But, that's what happens when you back yourself in to a 6 episode corner, you force yourself to rush things. It's their own damn fault for that. Other than the fact that hes a paid consultant and exec producer, sure there is no other indication that he has contributed heavily to the show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 4 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: The reason people are being so picky about small things (like Grey Worm fast traveling) is because the writing has been so lazy with the big things...... Maybe Jon stopped to grab a smoke cause he knew he'd probably be seeing Dany at the top of the stairs - she doesnt approve of his smoking - so he sneaks them on the side Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Superman(DH23) said: Pwwp was fulfilled, which was the purpose of R+L = J, the people who complain about it just dont like the end result. That's not a writing problem. Bran becoming the 3ER is to reveal Jon's parentage. Again not a writing problem. Dragons have been killed before both in the lore and on screen, not a writing problem. How was the PWWP fulfilled when Arya was the one who defeated the NK, not Jon. Also, Jon's parentage literally meant nothing, so what was the purpose of the 3ER in the first place? Furthermore, Bran tells us at the start of this season (and last season) that he can't be Lord of anything anymore and that he "doesn't really want anymore", but now he's like "Oh yeah I came all this way to be king!". That's 100% a writing problem. Just now, Superman(DH23) said: Other than the fact that hes a paid consultant and exec producer, sure there is no other indication that he has contributed heavily to the show. And other than the fact that since S5 they've crapped all over the foundations laid out in the books in order to tell a completely different story with the same ending, yeah I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Just now, Leader said: Maybe Jon stopped to grab a smoke cause he knew he'd probably be seeing Dany at the top of the stairs - she doesnt approve of his smoking - so he sneaks them on the side Probably stopped to get some street tacos tbh - I mean he did just fight a war. Can't betray your Aunt/lover/queen on an empty stomach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 minutes ago, Leader said: Flip side: a Mother putting her kids in "time out" shouldnt be taken as evidence she's a Saint. The breaker of chains putting her offspring in chains is a bit more symbolic than a time out. Also is the definition of a saint someone who doesn't have the ability to burn women and children alive? Cause that's the argument here. Kind of a weird stance to take from my argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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