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Just now, riceman80 said:

@The LBC nailed this question for me earlier. Nepotism. Its still a good ole boys league when it comes to coaches

Well, that and the trend hasn't caught on yet (and probably won't on any large scale ever, IMO) for HC's to dig into the Rolodex's of their more experienced assistants and not just from the trees that they themselves are from.  Too many HC's opt for convenience over taking a chance.

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46 minutes ago, TheVillain112 said:

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49 minutes ago, The LBC said:

Well, that and the trend hasn't caught on yet (and probably won't on any large scale ever, IMO) for HC's to dig into the Rolodex's of their more experienced assistants and not just from the trees that they themselves are from.  Too many HC's opt for convenience over taking a chance.

Which is why the level of coaching in the league has just utterly cratered the last couple decades. The league is nothing but the same 100 guys cycling teams pretty much with the occasional spark of creativity.

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1 hour ago, Thelonebillsfan said:

Stop stealing my gifs!

 

Which is why the level of coaching in the league has just utterly cratered the last couple decades. The league is nothing but the same 100 guys cycling teams pretty much with the occasional spark of creativity.

The thing is, in the right combinations those 100 guys can actually be creative, but the problem is we always seem to end up with similar combinations of the same 7-8 guys in mutliple instances.  Where there's a former Norv Turner assistant, you're typically going to find other Norv Turner assistants, if not Norv himself.  Same with "John Fox guys," "the Belichick guys that Belichick doesn't want," "Dennis Allen guys," "Paul Hackett guys," and so on and so forth.  Birds of a feather keep flocking together.

However, when you get some coaches who are willing to shake things up and mix in guys from different trees then even some previous thought-to-be-useless coaches have turned out to be effective - particularly as positional coaches or in positions with limited responsibility.

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12 minutes ago, The LBC said:

The thing is, in the right combinations those 100 guys can actually be creative, but the problem is we always seem to end up with similar combinations of the same 7-8 guys in mutliple instances.  Where there's a former Norv Turner assistant, you're typically going to find other Norv Turner assistants, if not Norv himself.  Same with "John Fox guys," "the Belichick guys that Belichick doesn't want," "Dennis Allen guys," "Paul Hackett guys," and so on and so forth.  Birds of a feather keep flocking together.

However, when you get some coaches who are willing to shake things up and mix in guys from different trees then even some previous thought-to-be-useless coaches have turned out to be effective - particularly as positional coaches or in positions with limited responsibility.

I think a major key is just having a HC who doesn't have a big ego, a guy who knows what he doesn't know, and fills those gaps in knowledge/experience appropriately. So many of these new coaches come in set on modeling everything in their vision, getting their guys, and just running the show themselves. Sure, gotta establish you are the HEAD coach after all, but you've got double digit assistant coaches for a reason, utilize all of their brains.

 

BB is the exception, not the rule, and at this point he's obviously long proven he deserves the control he gets. 

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8 hours ago, jrry32 said:

How did that moron get another OC job? What is wrong with the NFL? It's like they'd rather reuse the same turds than give anyone who isn't part of the club a chance.

Are we talking about Lazor?

He's actually been pretty good.

Teryl Austin has been awful though.  Seems like his schemes don't fit the Bengals players, and he's not willing to adjust.

And, ol' Marv is kind of gutless and refuses to play this game with any aggressiveness.  He's a coach born for the 1960's when punting was a good thing.  Now it's just an extended turnover, no matter how deep you pin the other offense.

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6 hours ago, The LBC said:

However, when you get some coaches who are willing to shake things up and mix in guys from different trees then even some previous thought-to-be-useless coaches have turned out to be effective - particularly as positional coaches or in positions with limited responsibility.

I think you can look at Wade Phillips and the two units he joined - McVay in LA and Kubiak in Denver/Houston, most notably that Kubiak pairing.

Prior to Wade, Kubiak was very loyal to his brothers from house Shanahan on the defensive side. Once Kubiak had Wade forced on him, he put together a few winning seasons in Houston and even won a SB in Denver. 

Getting outside that comfort zone can lead to good things. I'd personally lend it to some groupthink that might take over with a homogeneous unit - hey, it worked in NE/Denver/Seattle/Baltimore, right? Getting a guy outside of the normal house means new trains of thought that lead to some improvements.

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1 hour ago, theJ said:

Are we talking about Lazor?

He's actually been pretty good.

Teryl Austin has been awful though.  Seems like his schemes don't fit the Bengals players, and he's not willing to adjust.

And, ol' Marv is kind of gutless and refuses to play this game with any aggressiveness.  He's a coach born for the 1960's when punting was a good thing.  Now it's just an extended turnover, no matter how deep you pin the other offense.

Having witnessed what a good play caller looks like for the first time in a long time, trust me, Lazor is mediocre at best.

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